vegetarians and reggae

[MightyZ]

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although i was ashamed and disgusted, i needed protein for the tissues in my body to repair. all the hemp protein shakes, brown rice, nuts and yogurt could not have helped me out in the desperate situation.

I totally understand your desperation, I have had IBS problems and suffered abdominal pain long term and struggling to eat etc.

In my thread earlier I pointed out that I had gained 2 stone in less than a year - thats quite a lot of tissue (and bodybuilding works by breaking down the muscle tissue in exercise and forcing the body to rebuild stronger to cope for next time) - I was getting over 100grams of protein a day from my lacto ovo diet (7g from one egg) - you don't need meat to get protein - your vegan diet would have made it more difficult, of course, especially if beans and rice were a problem, but why not a whey protein supplement?

MightyZ

[super ape]

mz,
i couldnt find a whey shake mix that was gluten-free. i found two options- one hemp shake and one brn rice bran protein shake.
wasn't allowed eggs, dairy/casein, legumes. it was awful.
i still refuse to eat milk-it had been over 25 years since i had milk. for a while i couldn't find any gluten free rice milk/almond milk. so i made my own coconut+almond milk. overall, the whole diet, which i more or less had to continue after the original 6 months test, was very time consuming and rather expensive.

i am working on gaining weight and understand the protein combos i could do for the right amount of protein. but my body, in particular the fascial system, has been taxed for very long and these nonveg meals are definitely helping it get by for the time being.

the pain from the gluten diet was only secondary to the bilateral sports hernia (some football/soccer fans might ahve heard of this one)i was suffering from. muscle tissue (the six pack) was pulling off of the pubic bone where it attached as well. that is serious pain and requires very serious tissue repair that the meats would help along. 100 g of protein wasnt nearly enough to repair the injured and thus seriously torn and atrophied core and nerve damage that accompanies such extensive neuro-musculoskeletal damage.

[MightyZ]

mz,
100 g of protein wasnt nearly enough to repair the injured and thus seriously torn and atrophied core and nerve damage that accompanies such extensive neuro-musculoskeletal damage.

100 not enough - how much did you need? Serious bodybuilders on Steroids (which are more effective if fed plenty of protein for the anabolic activity) only get about 200g per day - that is a serious amount you know? Like about 6 litres of milk - or 1kg of peanuts (I'm guessing a little on the peanuts but the milk is quoted to the nearest litre!) - bodybuilders put on several pounds a week in bulking phases on that sort of amount, so I can't see why you would have needed more.

I feel a bit unfair here though - I am not knocking you - you have done what you felt you needed to do under extremely difficult circumstances and it seems to have worked for you, so I don't really blame you. But I wonder if long term it is good for you to be eating meat - it is much harder on the digestive system - when I went to the bowel specialists they were surprised to hear I was vegetarian and said it was extremely rare for veggies to have problems like I was having! I don't know much about caeliacs (is that sp right?) though - don't know how meat reacts with that problem, but just know that the human digestive system finds meat a real chore and can clog up with toxins as a result of meat eating.

MightyZ

[super ape]

oh hell no, i have no interest in eating meat long term or for even all that much longer.
i don't really know about the amnt of calories overall, but my red and white blood cells were and still kind of are low and the extra meat-based calories have helped me develop both fat and rebuild torn fascia.
the practitioners that have helped me are the best on the planet- all round holistic medicine with knowledge of modern approaches and studies- also pushed me into eating the meats for progress in my health/recoup.

celiacs and meat have no connections other than the fact that some things like hamburgers may have oats in them. but glutens found in wheat-oat-barley-rye also clog up the pipes. they are not necessary either but wehn one first goes of it, he or she can lose lots of weight. it can be a real pain in the arse to eat gluten free, very difficult to eat out anywhere, let alone on the go.

[leggo rocker]

Super Ape. You really need that Kulvinskas book I pointed out - not all this quackary you are exposed to. It will tell you how to repair all this damage - without meat.

You don't need protein, this doesn't build connective tissue and an excess of it will poison your blood, comatose your colon and wreck your liver. It's acid so it'll also rot your joints into the bargain.

Enzymes and minerals are responsible for building and repairing tissue. The youth-enzymes in sprouted products provide exactly the kind of repair chemicals you need. All without any of the stuff you might be intolerant to.

I know all about bi-lateral sports injury hernias by the way. From very, very painful experience.

[super ape]

leggo
i will definitely read that book!

did you really have sports hernia (athletic pubaliga) or regular inguinal hernias?

[leggo rocker]

I had a double inguinal but now I have something which is verging on pubaliga, but as yet not properly diagnosed, and it is horrible.

It is possible that my injury is a result of the operation for the initial problem.

Whatever, it is not nice.

[super ape]

go see dr gilmore in london (?), google gilmores groin.

or see dr muschaweck in munich, she is the best.

this injury, when full blown is extremely painful and will not get better w/out surgery. only a handfull of docs in teh world can do the surgery. get diagnosis right away, go to the best as well.
don't end up like me. so far i am 1.5 years post op and still recovering due to the long term without diagnosis.

[leggo rocker]

I am also 1.5 years post op and still in pain. Worse still, when I do anything physical the pain gets worse. This includes even walking, but especially dancing, something I love to do. It isn't the same pain as the original Inguinal, so it is worrying!

And your story has got me even more worried, in fact, very worried!

[super ape]

leggo,
i can hook you up perhaps with some releif.
we are in the same boat perhaps. go figure we both also listen to the downbeat.

were you ever athletic aside from gettin down?

scar tissue can cause serious pains and nerve entrapments. most doctors don't know what to do about it, some offer surgery, of course. there are methods to helping out. i myself am in training for such a healing modality, due to my own experience with this injury and pain.
get in touch w/ me mystery(dot)zombie(at)hotmail(dot)com and i might be able to point you in a direction where you will meet someone who can help with those pains.