vegetarians and reggae

[leggo rocker]

The vegetarians are eating the solution to world polution while meat eaters are eating the problem. The animals we eat produce methane that polute the ozone layer. The plants (vegetarian diet) help clean this. I'm trying to help the problem and the "Veggies" are eating the chance away to help clean the athmosphere.....

Your logic is totally bent.

Without the need to eat the animals you wouldn't be artificially inseminating them to produce more, filling them full of hormones to make them grow big and fast to eat them. You meat eaters are producing this cycle. Veggies do not eat animal food, it's the other way around.

A man needs far less of this food if he eats it direct. If you feed it through a cow or pig first you need to put in loads of valuable meals in to get out the one meal at the end.

So the methane producing animals you are multiplying in number are eating more and more of the vegetables that create oxygen. Plus, you are cutting down massive amounts of forest to both graze the cattle and feed them in this criminally inefficient farming practice.

The water you use in this meat farming is massive compared to that used in growing the vegetables. Again, because you are producing this meal so inefficiently you are then using SO much more of this water to produce that one meal than you need to.

And why the hell do you think they are burning the Amazon forest to the ground? Burning it isn't a great way to extract the wood is it? No, they burn it so they can quickly ranch it. Sadly, this land is now unable to sustain it's soil and with the help of the cattle it turns to dust. Literally thousands of miles of desert are produced each year like this. Not to mention the greenhouse gasses produced by the fires and the lack of oxygen producing forest left after the cattle move in.

Go read the link mashdown provided and then see if you can come back with your ill informed comments.

[ACEtone]

well, there is something to said for the 'path of least resistance' when it comes to belief. I found growing up that there was always such a great deal of conflict and confusion in the Catholic system (not to mention multiple other deficiencies) that I rejected it and quite happily trod on as an atheist.
I have never felt that there was a vacuum to be filled. What many religions/beliefs profess is a life devoted to the attainment of wisdom but the reality of the organized religions is people being enslaved to dogma and feeling them selves to be at fault because some aspect of the dogma does not feel right. If you chose to attain wisdom from any and all sources and you're smart enough to discern the facts from the snake oil I personally don't think you have any need for religion.
So how can I feel so passionately about Reggae? My interpretation is on a philosophical level. There is much in many religions that is practical and righteous. Such aspects are to be drawn on and utilised in daily life. The doctrinal aspects can happily be discarded.

As to the vegetarian issue - I'm not a vegetarian - it is practical for me to eat meat; it is abundant as are vegetables. There is no good reason for anyone to insist that meat is necessary and I could happily survive on a vegetarian diet - though it would take a whole lot more effort and time to ensure getting a dietary healthy balance.

Honestly I'm pretty tired of meat these days but my family insist upon it so I'm stuck with that! For now.

[leggo rocker]

- though it would take a whole lot more effort and time to ensure getting a dietary healthy balance.

Sorry ACE but that statement is bullcrap.

Justify it!

I don't have to spend ANY time on that.

And really, how many people, meat eaters or not, are actually being *careful* to get their "dietary healthy balance"?

Not many judging by the burger munching, grossly fat, cancer infested masses that make up the west right now.

I know that you have a small child, so there's your reason to give up meat. Do it in order to try and make sure there's a planet left to live on and air to breathe when he/she grows up.

[ACEtone]

Leggo, I will do my best to singlehandedly save the planet!
Anyway I live in New York - there is no air here - we live on carbon monoxide, nicotine and red meat - and we stink!

Regarding justifying my statement, I don't think I need to but believe me there is so little time in the day for even discussing these issues in my current lifestyle. Perhaps you have a more pastoral life - but I'm pretty much down to the bone on trying to fit everything in.
The bit of time I have for myself is essentially time I should be sleeping!

[leggo rocker]

Perhaps you have a more pastoral life

I wish!

I have millions of kids, three jobs a big house project and consequently no time at all.

But I do find avoiding television gives me back a bit of spare time to play some vinyl and post some words on here.

As for sleep? Wassat?

[Jah Titus]

vegetarians consider themselves animal lovers.. yet they eat the animals food ! criminal!

hey bwoi, why yu try spread all dis foolishness an negativ vibe?

bout Amazon destruction let mi tell yu dat babylon bloody empires (McRoñas, Murder Ink an so on) start dem bloody circle burnin de forest an therefore destroying ecosystem an killing all living deh. Then plant soya or cereals pon deh but all dis cultivation no will be employed fi feed hungry people becas it will be employed fi supply dem bloody extermination camps where dem kill wid total vileness millions of innocent creatures inna Iration fi support dem bloody business. Besides dem cultivations ah more satanik still becas these cultivations are transgenic, genetically manipulated, therefore more abomination an corruption

hey bwoi, who are de criminals? DEM AH DE CRIMINALS - FYAH BUN DEM!

JAH BLESS

[leggo rocker]

@ Jah Titus
I think Mashdown was being sarcastic - although the comment was possibly a bit too veiled as it took me a few minutes to suss it. But if you follow the excellent link he provided it would seem to support my feeling that he wasn't being negative.

@ACEtone
I reckon NYC must be one fo the EASIEST places to eat veggie as it has such a wide diversity. Not like this little Northern English City of Lincoln where there was only one veggie eatery until I opened the second this March, and no wholefood shop AT ALL!

There's a terrible and erroneous view among the men up here, and in much of Britain, that being vegetarian means you are weak and probably also homosexual. Total macho bullshit! Try telling it to an elephant, gorilla or a charging bull!

[stepping razor]

You know what they use to make lemons and apples shiny, some animal fat. Just three months ago they put animal fat in mars bars but did not label them, it was reported and mars was playing it down like oh yes we do have animal fat in mars bars without telling people and they will change back to veggie mars bars when people complain. If you had anough money you could sue mars for mislabeling.
The chicken battery farm sheds stink just like the fried chicken shops in town with the same rotting smell.
Not to say that I`m a total veggie, I would have good quality organic free range meat once in a while, but to have the meat pumped full of chemicals every day is a bad addiction as well as bad for your health.

peace

[Jah Titus]

@ Jah Titus
I think Mashdown was being sarcastic - although the comment was possibly a bit too veiled as it took me a few minutes to suss it. But if you follow the excellent link he provided it would seem to support my feeling that he wasn't being negative.

yeah man, sorry if mi was inna confusion bout dat

BLESS

[leggo rocker]

Agree with Stepping Razor about ckicken farms, there's a lot of them in Lincolnshire and they smell awful. People think chicken is a 'healthy' alternative to red meat. They are wrong, it is foul stuff (sorry for the pun) and its production is an abomination.

Also same with fish and chip shops. Up here in t'North they still fry in lard - which stinks like rotten flesh. I just can't understand how people don't notice this!