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I agree with most post...rare is not always quality. However, a rare record may yield a nice return in the future, if demand increases. Who knows what this record will bring in 10 years.
Peace

from what i've heard telegift overrates his ebay record quality, a VG as this record is, is probabilly something like VG- or G. 700 for a G! :/ crazy, couldnt afford it ever.

I dont think grading quality matters when you are talking about this level of vinyl collection. When something is this rare, condition does not matter as long as they have the original in their hand. I really doubt they would play this album as well...much like others here, they probably have better quality MP3 songs of it on their computer. I know a lot of us here wont spend that much on a LP, I sure wouldnt, but who knows who bought this album. Probably some rich millionaire rasta whos been looking for this album for the past decade and $1000 bucks is probably nothing to him. Much like us bearly able to afford a Ferrari, Id much rather have 3 or 4 cars...but for these people, they can probably afford 3-4 Ferraris.

On the other hand, wouldn't you be pissed if a few months later, maybe even a year later, someone re-released it. It been happening with these makasound/pressuresound/auralux/etc. type labels...and I'm loving every bit of it. I would hate to have spent $700 on an LP that I can get a nice re-release for $25 (most likely has better sound quality than the original-being old and all). I could happen. ADam
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Astig Boi:

You are mistaken about grading in my opinion. Like anything collectable, the ACTUAL condition of the item, cover, label and wax matters a lot because it effects the price. Somthing rare and MINT is worth MUCH more than something rare and too battered to even play.

As for 'better quality' MP3s. How would that be possible? First of all the source of 99% of the MP3s of rare stuff is the original vinyl. So you start with vinyl and record it. How then have you made it better when you have compressed it, removed the subsonics and more of the actual sound? Mostly all that well kept vinyl needs to make it sound pristine is a clean on a pro record cleaner like a MOTH RCM.

jahadambom:

You are also failing to understand the mind of a collector. We don't care how often the original gets re-released, we still want the original most of all. And we want the original original, going back as far to the first pressing as we can afford. We also collect several pressings of the same track or LP, seeking different mixes or even merely alternative label or cover artowrk.

I actually bought Earthquake Dub on Hotpot BEFORE I spent good money on the original. Sometimes, only sometimes, the release of a repress will slightly depress the value of the original, but that will just make the collector more likely to buy the orginal.

Also you're not always guaranteed a better sound quality on a re-release or re-press. I have some originals with far better sound repro than the dodgy new versions. I have even bought 'new' CDs that have turned out to be no more than recorded vinyl, with pops and clicks and all!


LAST BUT NOT LEAST!

I do play ALL my records, regardless of how rare they are and how much they cost or are worth. And I only record them onto CD or MP3 for the car, the iPod or other types of outdoor listening. At home, the CD player is almost redundant.

No doubt that as a collector of vinyl-having the original and first press is always the best. Most re-release don't have all, if any of the original artwork or cover photos. They rarely have the original picture record sleeve, lyric inserts, bios or pics. Some rereleases may even look just like the original but maybe the sound hs been remastered or touched up in some ever so slight way (we hardcore collectors will play the original and repress side by side to see if there are any differences , right?) Just to hold, look at, listen to and share the original piece of history is a great nostalgic that feeling most of us vinyl collectors share.
LEGGO ROCKER: I totally agree with you that most rereleases are dodgy in some way, or they just aren't anything like having the original. but...to be more specific about what I was talking about in my first post on this topic...
Take the Mighty Threes 2LP repress for example:
This 2LP repress is just as worth having as the original if not better! The press is pristine and the sound is crystal clear and not remastered. It even comes witht the DUB counterpart LP that is so so hard to find just likke the original vocal LP. But, while I was stoked to get this repress-a beautiful package (probably the best re-press/rerelease job ever), I still could not get myself to let go of my original copy of the vocal LP. Something about having that original copy, original cover and artwork photo-the original even has part of a selassie I Speech quoted on the back of the cover. Even though I have the sound on a nice repress-the collector in me just can't let go of this original for all of these resaon mentioned by both you and I above.
I guess my main point of my first post on this topic is: E Bay prices for original reggae vinyl is just too outrageous and making it more expensive for the rest of us collectors who don't shop on EBAY. These vinyls should be at a much more resonable price-but to the person spending this money-it is obviously worth it to them. Go ahead buddy, I'll just wait till I find it for cheap in some old used record shop that knows nothing about reggae. thanks. adAmbom
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Hi...

have a different opinion than you both... for me, no matter if there is the cover or not, not matter the writings on label, no matter the record as object in fact... except that yes, there is kind of niceness to think that it's THE plate, with THE story (if we think at foundation tunes, for example: Satta, Take a Ride...)that cross the years and was hold by many...

What I really look for is the sound. So for dis the grading count!! And Im ready to let 100$ go for a 7" only if the sound quality is good... In that way, I prefer an original with WOL, as its generally a likkle bit cheaper...
And the original sound, in 95% of cases has the magic touch of the 70s... that disappear on many represses... And the producers worked through an analogic way with the objective to reach this sound, this original sound... If you record it, you'll lose the direct physical vibration that makes this vinyl sound so important for roots music..

And sure it's good to have rare stuff, because obscure killers are more exciting in Sound System... and there's kind of greedy feeling to think that few people in the world heard this before...

Respects

Litelet

leggo rocker

I think you misinterpreted what I meant. I know mint condition albums will fetch way more $ than one of a lesser grade. The point I am making is the album is so rare that you can not find it anywhere, so you have no chose but to collect even the poor grade, they are willing to pay the premium for it. This album will more than likely fetch +$1000 in EXCELLENT condition no doubt, but if all your left with is a GOOD conditioned album, might as well scoop it for $700 and tell all your collector buddys, hey look what I got! What matters is he has it in his possession...much like a classic 67 Shelby GT500 in trashed stripped condition.

As for the MP3, you misunderstood me there also. What I know and everyone else in here knows that MP3s copies of these rare tunes are from vinyls, and are not better quality. What I meant when I said “better quality” is “he” probably has MP3s he downloaded from another person who converted it from a better conditioned album. Sure you can clean any dirt or grit on a album, but sorry, you can not clean up a skip or a record with stylus damage, or even a record that has lost fidelity due to excessive washing and improper cleaning. Usually with a cover looking like that, the vinyl is in worse shape. I was in no way stating that ALL MP3s are of better quality.

dou you want to see expensive stuff ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/VELVET-UNDERGROUND- ... dZViewItem

that angel hoytt isn't worth $200 at all. its mashin but not worth 200.