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Is that the Pressure Sounds issue you have there 6anbatte?

leggo rocker wrote:Is that the Pressure Sounds issue you have there 6anbatte?

Pressure Sounds Cry Tuff 2? Is there such a thing?

It's Virgin FLX 4002A/B 2

Sorry, there isn't. I'm thinking of part 1.

Is that issue you have there also 1 crossed out and over written with a two?

I'm wondering now if the original flimsy record you speak of is the one with the 1 not crossed out? After all, there must be a first issue somewhere with 1 and not 2 as the matrix. Unless for some reason Virgin really did go straight to 2. But then why the crossed out 1!

Some readers may be wondering why on earth we care about these things. Answer: It's a vinyl addict's thing..

Hey Leggo Rocker

Pleased that you are on to this as I have so much to talk about regarding this album! I am also talking to Dubmatrix about this as I am determined to get to the bottom of a lot of questions I have.

I tried to check the matrix last night, but was too rushed to see it properly. I didn't get a good look at it, but could see that number 2 (?) was a lot *deeper* than the rest of the matrix number. It looked as if the number had been *stamped* on at a later date (??!!).

I am convinced the flimsy one I had was a first pressing as it literally had just been released. Frustratingly, I don't think I would have know what a matrix number back in those days so I have absolutely no idea what it was.

I will have a good look tonight and need to run another couple of things past you when I have the album in my hand.

OK! I too would like the answers here.

Excellent!

Hi Leggo Rocker

Incidentally, I don't remember being confused by this album in 1979, but am confused now, which is another reason for me to believe the copy I now have is slightly different to the original copy I had back in the day.

Leggo Rocker, you make a mistake IMHO.

The number "2" don't mean a second stamper in term of time. Basicly, huge companies such as virgin built several stampers at the same time in order to produce large amount of vynil straight. I think Island had 4 sets of stampers at the same time. If you have an Island LP with A4, it is not the fourth pressing but simply a press using stamper set #4. And you can have a reissue done few years after the original with A1... Only the label design can tell you which issue you got.

Regardin the Far I LP discussed here I'm quite sure there is only one pressing and for some obscure reason the stampers were renumbered...

wareika

Thanks Wareika. I didn't know this about multi stampers and that answers a question I have long had in my mind about why some seemingly first issue records on Virgin or Island have those A4 etc matrices.


But we still have the Cry Tuff stamper renumbering mystery.

The matrix number of the copy I now own is Virgin FLX 4002A/B 2.

And yes, it looks as if the "2" has been manually stamped over a "1" on the A-side. The "2" is a little bit deeper than the rest of the matrix number.
On the B-side the "2" is really deep. Much deeper than the the "2" on the other side and impossible to see if it has replaced a "1".

No idea about the first one I bought in 1979 though as I no longer own it and can't ever remember looking at the matrix number.

Also both the matrix number on the groove run out and the label is FLX 4002A BUT there are 4 tracks on this side, when according to the label there should 5.

On the other side both the matrix number on the groove run out and the label is FLX 4002B BUT there are 5 tracks on this side, when according to the label there should 4.

I must admit I am really confused about this as I don't remember this being the case with my original copy from back in the day.

DubMatrix is going to shed light on the version he owns when he gets the time. Maybe that will help clear up the stamper mystery.