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Jah Glu wrote:People. Do you think that if you go out and buy an old Gregory Isaacs lp, gregory would get some of the money? You can't seriously think this!

no but when that album was bought when it was bought at the time in the shop gregory surely earned something on it
and also if it were to be repressed

a good point by leggo "But then, if the copyright owner of that work then decides to re-issue it on CD or vinyl - he might decide not to as it is already 'in the wild' as a free download."

so it looks like a bit of a simple and very weak argument to me glu

support the artist is a must!

Vinnie wrote:support the artist is a must!

Now thats a weak argument. you just said that you knew that you arent supporting artists (financially) when you buy a cd with them. I.E. you are not "stealing" from them by downloading.

I don't get upset if someone who actually buys music downloads the odd thing here and there, either as a preview or because it can't be gotten elsewhere any legal way.

What upsets me is people who ONLY download (for free) and NEVER pay for ANY music. That's just not right.

But -- this thread has gone a little off topic. My question was "do moves like that of the French Govt. mean that the death knell has been sounded for illegal downloading"

rather than "is it wrong or is it right"

But hey ho.

leggo rocker wrote:
But -- this thread has gone a little off topic. My question was "do moves like that of the French Govt. mean that the death knell has been sounded for illegal downloading"

Of course not, no one can stop it. There will always be a mean of sharing music, there's no definitive way to control downloading unless putting down the whole web. Computer science has always been creative and won't stop being so from one day to another. This measure, if applied (not sure it'll happen) will only be an announcement and will be useless. That's a part of the character N. Sarkozy (his Majesty Great Emperor of France and Africa) : he speaks, speaks and do nearly nothing but sending immigrants to Africa an Asia, taking money to the people to give it to the wealthiest. He will again be ridiculous but that's the way it is. Didn't want to make it a political thread but speaking of France those days, it's a bit difficult not to. This wouldn't have happened with another president, even a more conservative one (maybe possible).
This measure is an attempt to privacy and i'm strongly against it.

"Net firms will monitor what their customers are doing..."

No, no, no ! they surely do it yet but it's illegal and they can go to court if it's revealed. I don't want it to change, privacy is one of the most important rights.

i'm guessing most of you guys grew up in countries where music selection and disposable income are abundant,

if that's the case then you simply can't understand,for millions of people the choice is between bootlegs or no music, downloading is not wrong,keeping music from people because they're poor is

Actually, I do understand that situation Staas.

Not from personal experience (although there have been times in my life when money for food was genuinely scarce let alone for cash for music) but from talking to others on this very forum who have pointed out this out to me.

But where do you draw the line? A guy on a low income in a third world country can't afford a Lexus. So do we say, "yeah man, just steal one" ?

the lexus is a physical item, someone literally loses many thousands of dollars if it is taken, pirating data doesn't take anything tangible from anybody, but voids somebodies opportunity(doesn't take away something they already have) to make a couple dollars royalties.

there's no chance of everybody buying now, do you want your emails and instant messages being monitored in case you're sending a track?

a strong music industry is a thing of the past, and they really dug their own ditch by exploiting artists and customers, and creative, meaningful music is more popular than ever due to the fans of music turning to the internet to learn new music, simply through trial and error buying cds it could cost you 1000s of dollars to find out whether you like reggae or don't! as opposed to just time and research, that gives you unlimited potential to learn music, why spend $100 just to find out that miles davis isn't for you when you can check for free?

alot of artists are now offering their albums as a free download and you have the option of donating five dollars, that's the way to go really, the artist gets 100% of the cash and there's no need to worry about a 15 year old kid getting sued for hundreds of thousands

staas wrote:i'm guessing most of you guys grew up in countries where music selection and disposable income are abundant,

if that's the case then you simply can't understand,for millions of people the choice is between bootlegs or no music, downloading is not wrong,keeping music from people because they're poor is

Totally agree with that !

leggo rocker wrote:
But where do you draw the line? A guy on a low income in a third world country can't afford a Lexus. So do we say, "yeah man, just steal one" ?

Music is culture, moreover very often it's popular culture, it is a non-sense that music made for the humble can only be listened by a small portion of the people. I'm not poor and I wish i'll never be but if I were, I wouldn't need a car but I would need music. Music is hope, that the only thing humble people have, why rob them again and again ?

But I agree with you Leggo, people who can afford and never buy music are to blame, IMO no one else is.

FREE DOWNLOADS , FYAH BURN BABYLON !!

IF I CANT BUY SOMETHING FOR EAT I WILL STOLE IT ,IF I CANT BUY SOME MUSIC , I WILL STOLE IT !

I DONT WANNA STOLE , BUT I DONT HAVE MONEY ,CAN U BUY SOME RECORDS FOR ME LEGGO?? WAITING FOR YOUR ANSERW


PEACEEEEE!!

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