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to kemar : I've got this documentary on dvd...


one day blackwell went to italy and ate a pizza.
"delicious" he said!
"but if we put chester instead of mozzarella and sausage instead of tomato, I'm pretty sure uk people woud love it".

blackwell came back to england and opened a pizzeria with a famous italian pizzaiolo.the "chester and sausage" pizza became famous, blackwell & the pizzaiolo got rich... well it wasn't really a pizza but who cares... they made money and the uk people were enjoying their "chester & sausage" pizza. who could ask for more?

so the pizzaiolo stopped doing the traditional pizza...
uk people were convinced the "chester & sausage" pizza was THE real thing...

a couple of years later, no one in italy coud remember how to make a traditionnal pizza cos all the pizzaioli went abroad trying to get rich with new tastes like "camembert pizza", "fish & chips pizza", "hamburger pizza", "chili con carne" pizza...

it's a sad story cos the real pizza receipt got lost...
and uk people continue to eat bullcrap for breakfast, lunch & dinner

I think you probably mean CHEDDAR cheese Oras

I like the analogy but I reckon that the Italian's would never forget the right way to make Pizza, even if the Americans have hijacked it and made it with thick bases, the wrong cheese, etc etc. And as for the sausage pizza, the Italians already did that, they just have more fancy names for their particular organs, eyelids and foreskins inside an intestinal tube thing.

In the same way, I really don't think the Jamaicans 'forgot' how to make Reggae just because a Jamaican producer with a really sharp business brain and lots of backing decided to make a different recipe that he thought would suit the tastes of non-Jamaicans.

Instead, some of them decided they too would like to actually make some money from their work rather than living in constant poverty all the time just because they felt they had to stick to their roots.

But despite the commercialism of reggae, the roots were not effected. There was still heaps of great stuff produced.

It seems to me that it was the computer, no the Blackwell, that stuffed roots music into a body bag, full of analogue instruments to weigh it down. And, while no one was looking, dumped it in the Atlantic.

I can't find any evidence to support the view that Blackwell's influence, good or bad, was a killer influence.

And so many of us here are ready to admit we first loved reggae by hearing Peter Tosh's Legalise It, or Marley's 'Catch A Fire' before moving on to 'harder' reggae.

Obviously there must be many many people who didn't get beyond Island recordings to discover the treasure trove that lay hidden under them, like we lucky souls did. But even if only 1 out of a 1,000 listeners got to taste more reggae than just Blackwell's personal stew then we have to thank him for that, however begrudgingly!

oras wrote:a couple of years later, no one in italy coud remember how to make a traditionnal pizza cos all the pizzaioli went abroad trying to get rich with new tastes like "camembert pizza", "fish & chips pizza", "hamburger pizza", "chili con carne" pizza...

it's a sad story cos the real pizza receipt got lost...
and uk people continue to eat bullcrap for breakfast, lunch & dinner

As this thread is already all over the place I thought I'd just take time to get the culinary facts right:

Chester is a place in England. It's cheese is called Cheshire. It's a rich, chalky cheese.

Cheddar is a place in England. It's cheese is called Cheddar and is now probably the best selling cheese in the world.

Camembert is a French Cheese. Nothing to do with the UK.

Fish and Chips is becoming rare in the UK as everyone now eats pizza's or McDonalds. It's actually a cross-breed made from the Scottish love of deep fried potatoes meeting up with the English taste for deep fried sea fish.

Hamburgers. Another American abomination. A way for the American Dream (Nightmare) to dispose of the parts of the animal that the eater would rather not see.

Chili Con Carne. I think this is Mexican food. This time messed about with, once again, by our culinary experts in the USA.

As for what the UK eats for breakfast, like most of the western world, they eat crap. And I've been around and I've seen most of them. YUK.

Give me fruits and vegetables all day everyday for ITAL IS VITAL.

A lot of the music on island records has now been released by the original studios on their labels.Tuff Gong which now has a very big bob marley back catalogue and the 7" singles in the 70`s originaly released on Tuff Gong before they where pressed up for Island.
peace

hi oras, does this:

'a couple of years later, no one in italy coud remember how to make a traditionnal pizza cos all the pizzaioli went abroad trying to get rich with new tastes like "camembert pizza", "fish & chips pizza", "hamburger pizza", "chili con carne" pizza...'

mean this:

'a couple of years later, no one in jamaica could remember how to make a proper reggae record cos all the musicians went abroad trying to get rich with the new tastes like 'roots', 'dub',and 'dancehall' records....

i would have to disagree, of all the era's in reggae, i would think the 70's was the most fruitful, i'm thinking of culture, spear, little roy, king tubbys/dub etc etc, black ark, channel 1, revolutionaries, radics and on and on and on.
but that was a funny way to compare it:)

ites

ital kemar

I see, you missed the thread, too....)

I learnt that roots people do not always behave like brothers - but such is life.
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This is an interesting fred again, the pizza example says a lot.
I like the documentary bout the Catch A Fire album a lot, very interesting stuff.

That Documentry was very interesting , I really love the part where Blackwell says,he should't of done the overdubs. Using musians that had never heard reggae before and refered to the music as backwords in the way they are use to playing .

What exactly is this Blackwell DVD? What is the title of it?

leggo rocker wrote:What exactly is this Blackwell DVD? What is the title of it?

ital kemar wrote:the 'classic albums' series on VH1 i think. one episode was all about the catch a fire record. blackwell discusses the original tape he got, and how he brought in other musicans for final mix etc.

**["Classic Albums: Bob Marley and the Wailers - Catch a Fire"](http://www.amazon.co.uk/Classic-Albums- ... 335&sr=1-5)**

ital kemar wrote:hi oras, does this:

'a couple of years later, no one in italy coud remember how to make a traditionnal pizza cos all the pizzaioli went abroad trying to get rich with new tastes like "camembert pizza", "fish & chips pizza", "hamburger pizza", "chili con carne" pizza...'

mean this:

'a couple of years later, no one in jamaica could remember how to make a proper reggae record cos all the musicians went abroad trying to get rich with the new tastes like 'roots', 'dub',and 'dancehall' records....

well not exactly... just wanted to say that the way jamaicans played their music have been deadly hit by the way blackwell wanted the wailers to sound. I mean he's probably the biggest responsible for the introduction of all those cheeesy rock/blues guitar solo in reggae. and some other stuff that was not very common in jamaican music.

ABOUT STYLES, dub started at the very late 60's during the rocksteady era... and I really like it. I also love dancehall, roots and even digital.

ital kemar wrote:i would have to disagree, of all the era's in reggae, i would think the 70's was the most fruitful, i'm thinking of culture, spear, little roy, king tubbys/dub etc etc, black ark, channel 1, revolutionaries, radics and on and on and on.
but that was a funny way to compare it

for sure 70's were the biggest reggae decade but the foundation period (musically) was the 60's : the great musicians from the skatalites, the rocksteady beat (first dub)...
many new things from the 70's were only technical improvements of instruments, effects and studio. but when I hear versions of old studio one riddims produced by joe gibbs, channel one, tubby, bullwackies etc, I rarely found them as good as the originals.
the real genius of the 70's is lee perry... the way he mixed songs was UNIQUE and he produced many of the very best dub in history with minimal equipment...
BUT I still prefer the studio one dubs (many on b sides) because you've got that genuine instruments sound emphatized.

leggo rocker wrote: Give me fruits and vegetables all day everyday for ITAL IS VITAL.

is it really possible to cultivate many outdoor vegetables and fruits in the uk? like tomatoes, oranges, lemons?