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Sean, to the extent a dub reinvents the original source, I find it valid, even if all drums, digital inst's, weak bass and no echo. Some of the Digital B b-sides had brilliant remixes/versions, tho' dancehall generally didn't foster classic, heavy dubs. Like leggo rockers, I re-check what I 1st thought uninspiring music again, and very often I 'get it' later. Seems like all dubs are schizophrenic, challenging and refreshing same time, and our expectations are clearly limitations from time to time. To me, when dub gets tiresome, I've just been listening to too much music and need a break, like late night jazz, or god forbid, silence. Like many of us, I spend all my spare dough on music and feel obligated to listen and relisten even when my ears aren't fresh.
Lately I've been doing this lowtech remixing: i.e., superimpose versions of J Clarke's Let Go Rockers and C Campbell's Rockers Gone Clear at the same time and marvel how differently they're delivered on the same ridim, it's like they're in a singing competition side by side at the mic. A little source dropping/boosting makes for hours of enjoyment. Innovation is the truest spirit of dub music, really.
imo, It wasn't ever WHAT Lee Perry was saying, it was HOW he 'sang' it so irreverently.
Mad Professor got more interested in pushing boundaries and insourcing a hundred fx/techniques than providing a relaxing atmosphere.
Love the R Dread Dub set for its unorthodox sound.
To finally answer the post, the least satisfying dub set that comes to my mind are the Phase One Dub lp's, probably cuz I expected so much more than just the exercise of trying to figure what vocals they came from.

sorry peops if i Killed this topic....

no utodd your points are very good.dub overload may cause me at times to feel oh god its rubbish when later i might like it..generally i stick to my guns..crap dub does truly exist

tamoki wambesis dub re release of scientist high priest of dub is a fake...this has been highlighted on the thread help me i am confused..check it...especially the fine post by bassgroove that gives the lowdown on what tamoki have done to make a fake version of a great dub set. boycott tamoki wambesi

Why

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Everything I have been able to find out about this indicate that Kingdom Records released albums in the UK under license from Tamoki-Wambesi-Dove.

now bassgroove has said that scientist said in an interview that kingdom scientist releases are not scientist. if thats true, then why do they do that? the original vinyl kingdom dubs are excellent, why didnt roy put cousins in dub on the sleeve?

i rescind my demand to boycott kingdom..i think scientist is being ahem, economical with the truth...ive been swayed by some fine posts by dave on here..and bassgroove also...

To add on to above comments. Many Tamoki Wambesi releases are essential (at least to me). Hard label to hate or boycott. Roy Cousin's deserves respect and the Royals, Baba Dread, Don Carlos, and Knowledge material on this label are worth owning. Ten Years After by the Royals seems very underappreciated to me.
As for worst dub album. I would like to cheat and say that the worst dub tracks ON an album must be the "versions" that Rhino added to Barrington Levy's "Making Tracks". They slapped on several tunes that were terrible, terrible dubs of Milli Vanilli and a bunch of random digital stuff. Totally ruining an otherwise decent knock-off of Levy's Lifestyle album.

good shout jason allen..yet again proves that rhino really are the cats whiskers when youre talking bad dub