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"it allows people access to music they would otherwise never have heard"

that is the most ridiculous argument for stealing there is..

Stealing a bottle of booze is alright, since it allows people to drink liquor they otherwise would not have drunk

stealing a car is alright, since it allows teenagers to drive in vehicles that they would otherwise not have driven

Robbing people is allright, sicne it allows people to spend money they othewise would not have had..

Rape is alright, since it allowes people to have sex with women they would otherwise never had a change of ....

child porn is alright, since it allows..

unautherized taking of other people things without paying is stealing and if you do that you are a thief and if you break the 8th commandment yu will get burned

your argument is invalid.

I know a lot of people who use to download music. and after that they actively start searching for the original vinyl release or buy the repress (if available)
It also explains why you could buy certain records for 5 quid 10 years ago which now sell for 200+

Besides nobody gets really hurt from downloading (unlike with robbery or rape ) A lot of artist and or producers from the 1970s are long gone. And often they don't own any copyrights to their own work anymore, so even a legal repress does not gain them any benefit (sad but true )

Bleep ,i also thought theres a lot of shady reproducing of music going on,never thought of mp3 being put on vinyl till now.thanks

fya fi all thieves

The motives behind people sharing files is usually very innocent and nothing at all to do with money or greed.

I don't think you understand the difference between file sharing and Piracy, File sharing would be, making a mix tape for your friends or playing your tunes at a party or uploading some tracks to youtube, that does not make anyone a thief and it isn't illegal either, Piracy is illegal and does indeed hurt many people that's something completely different, no one who uploads music to share is a pirate.

Many of these sites pay a license fee to the music industry which then go's to the musicians themselves, for example, did you know that artists get a cut from blank cdr sales? If you burn some music to a cdr the licensing fees have already been paid in advance to the artists. If you think that someone sharing some tunes is a thief then you're wrong I'm afrai,d by your logic someone comes to your home and listens to your music is steeling your music with their ears lol.

Ask yourself this, If you sell your second hand record collection on e-bay, and your tunes fetch more than their original retail lets say (a lot more), are you steeling from the artists who's music you're selling? No, because once you own that music it's yours to do what you want with, If selling second hand music isn't steeling then how can giving it away for free be steeling lol.

You have the right attitude towards thieves I'll give you that, and Piracy too, I f.. hate Pirates as much as the next man (if not more).

@ bleep

why is making a mixtape for your friends not illegal?
and who is hurt if somebody shares studio one singles that have been out of print for decades?

@ fya

your arguments are indeed stupid...downloading music that is NOT available anymore in any store is something completely different from stealing a car or booze that COULD BE bought in a store

as for your other comparisons (reggae and rape, reggae and child porn), they are so ridiculous, personally I don't want to waste another second to argue with them

for me, drawing the line is easy: if you download something that could easily be bought, that's (in most countries) illegal - if you download something that CANNOT be bought anymore, that's more than ok

"why is making a mixtape for your friends not illegal?"

Two reasons, one because it falls under fair use laws, once you have paid for the music, you are allowed to enjoy that music with others such as friends and relatives, this is deemed "Personal and fair use" ie it's not being shared for the proposes of making profits.

Secondly, I believe tape manufacturers also pay a licence fee, certainly cdr manufacturers do, so burning tracks to cdr isn't Illegal copying and promotional cd's of your sets would also be considered fair use.

Basically, every music venue, pub, library, nightclub, festival, radio station etc etc pays for a license, they have to do this by law (even some websites now also, like youtube). All this revenue is collected by the licensing authorities and divided up between the artists based on a percentage of their sales, so when you play your mix cd in a club for example, you're covered by the licensing laws and your mix cd is also benefitting the artist, by helping to promote him/her.

"who is hurt if somebody shares studio one singles that have been out of print for decades?"

In this case I don't think they are "no longer for sale" I'm pretty certain that almost all studio one back catalogue is still currently available commercially, but I really don't think it is effecting their currant sales.

It's better for studio one in the long run if their back catalogue is kept in the public's awareness, better for their sales in the long term and thankfully these records are also now being preserved, something that I would be surprised if studio one are doing, if at all.

I love reading the posts from all of these self-righteous armchair lawyers and police!

It's a thread about piracy, wtf do you expect? and I'm not self righteous, I am educated a little more than some perhaps.

it's actually NOT a thread about piracy, it's about the Studio One Back Catalogue...

and to all theorists out there: do you really believe that any of these artists receives a penny from blank tape or blank CD sales?

I am completely convinced that 99% of those who may have downloaded these CDs would never ever have bought them, were they legally available...1% may have bought it, so there would be some loss involved...however, among the former 99% there will be quite a bunch of folks whose interest in a particular song and / or artist may have grown, resulting in him / her actually buying a legal product...had these persons not downloaded the "illegal" files, they would neither have bought "legal" material

and to all theorists out there: do you really believe that any of these artists receives a penny from blank tape or blank CD sales?

Yes they do, it's included in their royalties lol.

They in fact get a cut of all the licensing fees paid by all the companies, radio stations, venue's, night clubs, pubs, including cdr manufacturers, they have to by law. like I said it's devided up between them according to their sales, it's collected by the PRS and MCPS who also collect thier royalties, no joke.

You guys crack me up, no wonder so many artists get ripped off., you think people never thought of any of this stuff before?