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food for thought ,how do you think those people you mentioned got such bring brains?Perhaps large protein source.....

well i follow eveloutiuon not creationism.so i am more inclined to believe meat was intergal part of humans .
from the days of only 2 people on earth ,when farming was n on exisent what do you think was the main part of the diet?

So Bill, answer this riddle:

How is it that the human brain grows most, both in size and ability, during the first few months of our lives. At a time when our diet, mother's milk, has a nutrient make up that is almost identical to apples?

Protein is a poison to our bodies in all but the smallest measures. It is an acid. We are alkaline creatures, not acidic like carnivores. We need VERY little of it. The excess of it is key to the destruction of our health and the onset of early aging (we should all be fit as as fiddles well into our 90s).

It is minerals and vitamins that the body needs to build brain, blood, muscle and bone. Why is it that most of the largest, strongest and heaviest beasts on the planet are herbivores if protein is so important to build bodies and brains? It's a total fallacy that we need lots of protein and this lie perpetrated by the meat business and their pet scientists.

Protein destroys calcium, which is why osteoporosis is becoming so prevalent in western society.

And if you REALLY still want lots of protein, then you'll find foods like nuts, beans, grains are packed with them. As are all dairy products of course.

I don't mean it to sound arrogant (but it will, unavoidable really), but in my early life I had these discussions so so many times I've really done my homework. And, unless you are unlike the 1,000,000 other people I've discussed this with, you won't be able to raise a single point or objection that I can't answer, properly, thoroughly and with scientific backing if needed.

I don't generally bother to talk about this anymore, I don't even like to reveal I am a vegetarian as it definitely gets me just as much prejudice and mistreatment as a I can take.

The problem is, people are completely addicted to meat, and the chemicals your friendly agro-businessman is putting in them, so even when you defeat their argument, they won't change and just resort to insults and slanging.

As for how we managed at the start of creation? Well, as we all know so well "Jah will provide for I and I". And he did, as all ancient scriptures will tell you, with fruits and grains and herbs. And what makes people believe we can't have been created with ploughshares in our hands? If God can create the universe a bunch of farmers should be easy game.

In plants God created beings that wanted to be eaten - in order that their seeds may be spread and fertilised. He made their breathing system complement ours, we need what they breathe out, they need what we breathe out. Wonderfully logical and simple system isn't it?

MightyZ

Bill wrote:food for thought ,how do you think those people you mentioned got such bring brains?Perhaps large protein source

In all scientific studies recently - brains develop better and intelligence is higher on a vegetarian diet

Bill wrote:when farming was n on exisent what do you think was the main part of the diet?

prior to farming , humans are well known to have been nomadic foragers of vegetation


MightyZ
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why leggo ,do all anthropoligists across the world agree that our brain expanded with meat consumption?im sure its not just utter non sense.Why have they all agreed that skulls such as Lucy have inscisor teeth wich are primarily meant for cutting flesh not grindining vegetable matter.
To answer your question with another.What chemical compound exists in every living thing.

No source of vegetable matter has the same protein density as meat you would have eat large quantites of soy,nuts to get the same amount as a small peice of meat.

"so even when you defeat their argument, they won't change and just resort to insults and slanging." YES sounds familiar close minded ness.

I agree in todays world theres no need to eat large quantities of meat and that does create health problems,and as previous well known planet problems.Unless your region like the INUIT wich still do ,demands it ,and i am sure there are more groups of people today that live quite in harmony with their people and nature with large quantities of meat in their diet.
I am well aware of the benefits of diet and science i have studied it as well.As far as being a vegetarian

previous to farming humans were ominvours .

One of the reasons I hate to discuss this is some times it gets personal. So can I just say, before we go any further, that I mean no animosity to any person who doesn't agree with me here. We can all be friends even if we can't agree on this subject.

The anthropologists are wrong, as are most of Babylon's scientists. The ones that are right are riduculed by their peers who are all to afraid to express what would be regarded as 'crank' opinions.

Like I said, Protein is required, but in tiny quantities. And you statement that no vegetables contain the same quantity of protein is just not true. Do some more research, you'll find many plant foods that are heavy with protein, and are in fact not that good for you as a result.

And I have proved MightyZ's opinions on the growth of children, their brains and their intelligence by 'growing' five very intelligent, very healthy children on a low protein vegetarian diet. It is no suprise to me that my eldest son has an IQ that puts him in the top one percent, as does my youngest soon, and my middle daughter. My youngest daughter is also very intelligent (and very tall) and my eldest daughter has subsequently given birth to two more veggie geniuses. All done without meat, ever!

We *can* do without meat. In fact, we do better without it. So why do we need to kill to eat?

And I know someone soon will pipe in with the old chestnut about vegetables being alive. Yes, absolutely true. Which is why all devout Hindus offer all their food to their God first, to try to take away the 'sin' of killing plants to eat!

Only frutarians are genuinely able to occupy the moral high ground here.

I guess that we eat meat because there is an ancient believe that says that you are what you eat.So i think im like a buffalo while Leggo is like a bar of tofu!!!??

Exactly Nefta!

If yu eat dead flesh, yu a dead flesh.
If yu eat pain an sorrow, yu a criminal.
If yu eat abomination, yu a abominable.
If yu eat innocent blood, yu a pagan.


ITAL BLESS

Yes, you are what you eat.

So I must be tough and yet soft and juicy, all made hardy herbs and plants and succulent fruits. And I am not cruel, because I try to eat with compassion.

While meat eaters are rotting from the inside out, as they are feeding on carrion. And they are cruel, because they are eating pain and long term sufferation.

If you pass a butcher's shop and you don't eat meat, you see only flesh, blood, bone and suffering. And the smell is simply awful. My pure vegetarian children literally vomit at the smell of meat, especially when it is cooking.

And if you've ever been unfortunate enough to smell burning human flesh, you'll know that it smells just like meat cooking. Yuk.