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I don't have the original but the CD Dubwise is really good!!! (Jah Do That & Dub, Throw Away Your Gun, Love Divine Dub) What's the difference with the original version?

The whole Cry Tuff Serie is excellent imo but I do prefer the third one (Back Weh, Shake The Nation, Low Gravity: classics!!!)

Respect!

the original KING AT THE CONTROLS by tubby...on burning sounds..some glorious tubby on this one..inc. clint eastwood dub and general saint dub..i love tubbys uniquely personal sound effects..brilliant

Hi Laz

Yes, Dubwise is a good album, but the original vinyl Cry Tuff Chapter 2 had the most incredible track on it called 'Borno Dub' (without doubt the best dub cut I have ever heard). For some reason when Dubwise was released they replaced it with 'No More War Dub', which is a similar, but poorer, version of the same track.

Even on the notes on this site say that 'No More War Dub (In Fact Borno Dub)'- http://www.roots-archives.com/release/1801
It isn't the same track.

On Borno Dub, there is this speaker-blowing note with echo that doesn't exist on 'No More War Dub' version. I know this to be true because, thankfully, I have the original Borno Dub on tape - now, in fact, transferred onto CD.

I wonder why Virgin removed this track. Does anyone know why this would be?

on my cd of dubwise, borno is on and its great along with bendel dub. one of the best ever tracks. anyone heard I AM THE KING VOL2 ? ON MOA ANBESSA INTERNATIONAL? FABULOUS, BOTH 1 AND 2 ARE TOTALLY IMMENSE. AM WELL HAPPY AS I GOT EACH ONE FOR A FIVER.oops sorry for capital letters

Hi Sean

Unfortunately the track that is called 'Borno Dub' on Dubwise is called 'Gongola Dub' on Cry Tuff Dub Encounter Chapter 2. ie the original vinyl album. The track called 'No More Dub' on Dubwise is a different version of what is called 'Borno Dub' on Cry Tuff Dub Encounter Chapter 2.

The original 'Borno Dub' is the best dub track I have ever heard.
If you can track down the vinyl you will know what I mean.

This link may help - http://www.roots-archives.com/release/1801 - but 'No More Dub' is a very, very, very poor version of 'Borno Dub'. In fact, probably the worst track on Dubwise.

You are right Dubwise is an excellent album, but the original CTDE 2 was even better.

As I asked in an earlier post on this thread and I paraphrase 'Does anyone know why Virgin would do this?'

Roots Radics+Scientist/Tubby= Greatest Dubs ever Cut....?

Mi Think so

Much Respect

Hell yeah king g!

The best Dub album has to be Pablo's King tubby Meets the Rockers
Don't know who enginered the Garvey's Ghost album, but I think it is just awful! A real crime in JA music that such a great set of riddim tracks as the Burning Spear album could be made into such a mess. To my ears it doesn't sound like it was made in Jamaica, but created by some white hippy at Island's studio in London who thinks he knows how to make a dub album!

other great dub albums are;

Joe Gibbs -African Dub chapters 1-3
Augustus Pablo - Ital Dub
Keith hudson - Pick a Dub
Lee Perry - Super Ape
Channel One/Revolutionaries - Satta Dub
Winston Edwards -King Tubby Meets The Uppsetter

Sorry i can't agree with King Tubby meets Rockers Uptown but each to each own.

Errol 'ET' Thompson mixed Garvey's Ghost i think.

Do you mean Satta Dub based on Abyssinians tracks or a complete other album?.

No Sattta Dub was on the Well Charge label, a collection of Channel One cuts. Don't think it was ever released in Britain. I don't have a copy now, but unless my memeory is playing tricks it was a 5 star dub album. Every track a winner! My copy came in a plain white sleeve with the Well Charge star logo screen printed on it.

I'm suprised if it was Errol T that cut Garveys Ghost! I've always assumed there was some Island Records tampering with it to suposedly make it more "friendly" to white rock audience ears (as the did with the Marcus Garvey album). Still don't like it. The music from The Marcus Garvey album could have been a fantastic dub set!