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correct, it should be here and not in the main topic area. definitely one of the most depressing threads in a long time, but a very necessary debate. its a sign of the times, where a lot of youngsters seem to think that music shouldn't be paid for, and this guy is hardly one of many examples hiding behind the fact that artists aren't getting anywhere, largely due to this behaviour. its a question of right and wrong, a moral issue, and since reggae is not a big business its hitting them even harder

think twice, oras, whoever you are - what you are doing are just as much a part of the 'shitstem' you say you avoid or don't want to support, its even worse what you're dealing with, but its ok for you to take what others has created. do you steal your food, steal the clothes you wear as well?

to your credit i can admit that you're at least open with it, contrary to several who do the same as you but won't say it in public like this

Really sad.

This is a very important topic. Sad to see the discussion degrade into a flaming and name calling. Don't that it has much to do with maturity though. Just civility and courtesy.

Anyway, won't let it ruin my day.

I think I have a disc or two that will do just the trick

picaraza wrote:Really sad.

This is a very important topic. Sad to see the discussion degrade into a flaming and name calling. Don't that it has much to do with maturity though. Just civility and courtesy.

Anyway, won't let it ruin my day.

I think I have a disc or two that will do just the trick

Yes, people always will find a way to get what they need.Lets keep on hearing reagge in vinyl,mp3 or what ever and forget all the problems.,.

Still playing reggae music almost every waking hour of my days...

Vinyl at home, reggae radio at work, CDs in the car.

It's reggae music all the way!

i download huge quantity of mp3 only to decide what to buy on vinyl...jah bless me !!

Leggo-

Thanks too for playing the music for others to hear. It's nice that you put the time in to provide others with harder-to-find Jamaican roots and culture, dub, etc.
Nice, easy, legal way to enjoy....and it's free (to the listener at least).

Ites wrote:its a sign of the times, where a lot of youngsters seem to think that music shouldn't be paid for, and this guy is hardly one of many examples hiding behind the fact that artists aren't getting anywhere, largely due to this behaviour.

I said "free music is better" and criticized music business. it's far from your accusations.

do you really mean "artists aren't getting anywhere" because of people like me? I know that the tendency of this thread is to accuse me of all evil. next step is to accuse me of killing robert marley...

maybe it's not politically correct to say that jamaican music (and genres) are crashing down because of the lower quality. music business would never admit it because they 've got to sell the old crap from their catalogue or some new crap.

do you really think it's a coincidence if soul jazz and heartbeat (with their studio one series) are some of the big sellers at the moment? they are also highly downloaded on p2p. it's just because of the quality they're offering. mp3 files shared are proportional to quantity of copies sold.

this site's new trend is to advertise every (re)release like it was the best ever. this attitude is killing reggae appeal. now reggae fans tends to be hyper critical because they've been fooled by album reviews, artwork, sleeves. they know they have to listen to the record before they buy it.
if reggae fans were so enthusiastic about the last release they would sell a major number of copies.

PS: very flattered to be described as a youngster

Ites wrote:think twice, oras, whoever you are - what you are doing are just as much a part of the 'shitstem' you say you avoid or don't want to support, its even worse what you're dealing with, but its ok for you to take what others has created. do you steal your food, steal the clothes you wear as well?

I don't get it. you're saying "what you are doing"... but what am I doing exactly except being critical about music business and ringing the alarm when a few masked and disguised people are trying to convince us to put as money as we can into the music business (often for some really low quality release)?
and to make it clear what am I exactly supposed to steal?

I don't make or encourage any profit with my words. I wish we all could say the same.

Ites wrote:to your credit i can admit that you're at least open with it, contrary to several who do the same as you but won't say it in public like this

once again i'd like to know what are the charges against me? I don't feel as I have confessed some illegal or criminal activities.

Duh ! wrote:So Coxsone Dodd was a big bad capitalist man, and so was Duke Ried, Prince Buster, Bunny Lee, Lee Perry, Niney, Glen Brown, Phil Pratt, Jack Ruby, Tappa Zukie, Linval Thompson, Junjo Lawes, Augustus Pablo and every other Jamaican producer then.. i wonder you can bare to listen to reggae music, its all so corrupted isnt it !

it's not about politricks or capitalism.
I see a huge difference between coxsone dodd, duke reid etc who put their hands on the mixers when jamaican music was rising up and some people who have nothing to do with this music making other people's work their own trying to get more money.

ton1 wrote:and yes I download a LOT but I also buy a lot of CDs and records too (as many as i can), I have nothing to hide, i've written it yet in some other threads.

I DON'T DOWNLOAD! YOU DO DOWNLOAD! and you were accusing me to download. you're too hypocrite!

ton1 wrote:Sorry to stay, i had said i leave the place but i cannot let someone nearly insult me without answering

you're the one who's insulting. R E A D T H E P O S T !




it is really exhausting to answer to any post from people who haven't read the whole thread and keep on accusing me of downloading (it's just an example). I know some people here are feeling angry because I was critical about things they do or think but it's just my point of view... I could be wrong, them too... no winners no loosers, just confronting ideas

oras, you take the price for some of the most incoherent and distorted views here, it all end up in confusion

you come here constantly with your 'rasta adapted' slogans of 'shitstem' & 'politricks' this and 'babylon' that, it sounds all very romantic to use all of this, even to feel a little lefty sometime, nice isn't it, but what exactly do you know about those so called 'boneheads', if you could define that - and them - for me and the rest of us ignorant people, we'd like to know. who exactly are they, what have they put out that you'd encourage others to 'share' oh so democratic...
it doesn't help the artists, if you could get this into your head, its ruining it for them more than anything to get a little bread. it might not be much, but better than nothing... but, obviously, for you its better take whatever and not make sure that he'll be able to make another record, depending if this one sells or not, which is up to the producer. no all producers are so called 'rip off artists', they do their share of the pie, investing money in production, manufacturing, distribution, etc, all of that must get back in their pockets to break even, and hopefully get a little profit so they can invest in a future project. this is not exactly helped by someone who is downloading the tracks for free somewhere for a costly project/product, thanks to greed, ignorance (hardly 'consciousness' as you had it...) and some infantile and distorted, anarchistic view that 'music shall be free'. yes, it'll be free if you sit in your room or on the beach playing the guitar and sing for yourself, but this concerns a product meant to sell, and if you're a responsible (probably irresponsible...) consumer you make sure you support this project/record so they can succeed and continue with the next

its simply not right to take things they offer for sale, because that's what it is - for SALE, not to be taken for granted that this is something i can take without considering those who produced it. that's a thief

Jason Allen wrote:Leggo-

Thanks too for playing the music for others to hear. It's nice that you put the time in to provide others with harder-to-find Jamaican roots and culture, dub, etc.
Nice, easy, legal way to enjoy....and it's free (to the listener at least).

Thanks Jason. Also available live at the decks!

Hope Oras doesn't mind my self-publicity - but then I am a struggling artist trying to get recognition, so what else am I supposed to do?

Ites wrote: its simply not right to take things they offer for sale, because that's what it is that's a thief

I wrote so many times... you should really R E A D the thread....

I have to quote me because you keep going on with false accusations

oras wrote:.
I won't encourage you to download illegal material or copy, to buy records, I just want you to be conscious.

i've never said anything must be free. you're trying to change my words. you're trying to reduce my point of view

I DON'T DOWNLOAD!!!
I DON'T DOWNLOAD!!!
I DON'T DOWNLOAD!!!

is it ok now?... if you keep saying the same lies I'll start to copy and paste part of my previous posts

Ites wrote:you come here constantly with your 'rasta adapted' slogans of 'shitstem' & 'politricks' this and 'babylon' that, it sounds all very romantic to use all of this

well it just means you don't care about ras tafari's message if you consider it "romantic". that's another point I'd like to talk about. you chose "ites" as a nickname (and oooh it's very romantic too) but you're judging me and accusing me... don't you see the irony?

it seems that some people here are using rastafari as folklore... funny to talk like jamaicans, to brag on records you got, grow your hair, clothe like them but what about your lifestyle? your philosophy? maybe you think money is the only way to make an exchange...
sorry if I don't appreciate that much ras tafari and jamaican music becoming that phoney farce... some of my bredrins call them trust-a-fari... i call them boneheads cos that's what some of them look like (especially in the uk). is it that offensive? I apologize to people suffering because of their baldness.

leggo rocker wrote: Hope Oras doesn't mind my self-publicity - but then I am a struggling artist trying to get recognition, so what else am I supposed to do?

you're paying to put other people's work on internet and you call yourself an artist? I'm very surprised, I didn't know it was art.