Why talk in patois when not brought up that way?

[Youthman Deh]

Soufriere1: to use certain expressions or to use them inadequately are, to the best of my knowledge, two separate things.

In my post, as you probably understood, I was referring to the former, for surely any communication is, in any circumstances, neither fluent nor fruitful, if the terms are used wrongly.

As for the co-opting, I understand your point, although I might not accept it. In my opinion, those Jamaicans shouldn't take offense, but rather be _proud_. Anyway, what I'd really like to know is, whether you understand - or are even able to accept - my thoughts upon the subject.

Respect everytime,

Youthman _Deh_, from the nearly arctic country of Finland.

[pupa pisces]

soufriere1,
mi haffe tell yuh seh, if yuh cyaan figure whey mi writing bout, are any patois writing in general, nah badda come fe bad-mind samady wi yuh problems, yuh si mi a seh? especially, eehf it choble yuh so, yuh si whey mi a seh?
mi also si yuh tek patois writers are should mi seh speakers, ignarant in some wey. jus rispek it. if dem a yankee, yuh still cyaan disriminate, are bias towards dis an dat. dun try fe pop style pon mi nar anyone a who come write are speak in some wey yuh dun like, yuh si whey mi a seh. an mi dun cyare a dyamn, if yuh tink mi is one a dem blasted illeterate people dem, dat cyaan write are are jus supm rediculous like.
a dis yuh a dis mi an every ghetto gramma speaker?
si dem deh, the patois wuds mi a speak, dat jus ghetto kulcha mi a speak, an mus a dem artist yuh hear out yuh speaker box, speak this inna dis yah manna. unless yuh is hinto more a dat water-dung pop reggae, ub40, maxi priest, kulcha club. whatever pussyclaat shit a rock yuh vibe, jus listen t'weet.
whomever, wahn come, patois , weddah yankee, weddah fram west indies, bahamas, central america, i dun bias to nobody. at least fram a whey mi si wi mi own eyes, is some solidarity mungst the yoot', weddah uptowner are ghetto dweller. speak however yuh wahn speak weddah black, white, chiney, coolie an whatever class. dun ever come fe dispies yuh breddah, rispek yuh breddah.
i dun try fe bad-mind anyone yah, but hear mi whey mi seh, when yuh talk against patois, yuh nah only talk' bout' the yankee dem, yuh also talk against the caribbeans people in general a who come fe participate inna dem yah discussion as well. so mind yuh mout' before yuh come pop sstyle pon roots-archives. wi have the right fe come write, speak wid choice, as yuh have the choice to discriminate, mongst mi bredrins an sistrins. reggae music as a whole is against dem yah attitude, the baldhead downpressor attitude, dun be so dyamn toponaris, nar so dyamn stoosh.
if yuh dunno whey mi talkin' bout fram beginning til now. yuh ax yuh soak-all jamaican friends to translate for yuh.
i dun carry-feelings nar feel no way, coz everbody have dem opinion weddah a jaggaa-bite,haity-taity, or creb.
rispek t'wall speak with ghetto gramma, coz lang time dem fight against de i, an mi feel de tension still. mi come fe radicate the business, coz it have no business round yah, so hol yuh cawna' nuh bwoy, ca yuh dunno seh mi is the one yah speaking real truth. yuh si whey mi a talk bout? soulinnarearend1, yuh talkin' foolishness bwoy. yuh haffe abologize to all yardie, trini, bilizian, or anybody fram caribbean, bajamas, even the soak-all jafakin' yankee dem yuh talkin bout'.

pupa pisces

[staas]

^^^^aahahahaha great post!

[soufriere1]

Pop reggae is def not my thing...and neither is using the term coolie, either. You can ask anyone here in Toronto or people I've dealt to what I'm about....unless this:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 6111D58356] is pop.

My comment simply asked why people choose to speak in patois when not brought up that way - so how would be offending any West Indian people by stating that? Besides, I've talked at length with many West Indians about the same issue - and a majority of the people I've talked to agree with me.

As far as me understanding what you're saying - I can understand, but wonder how someone who talks about respecting their brother can throw so many expletives at the same time.

Maybe I'll check with Willie (Williams) to see if I have it all right. I'll ask him if he's soak-all.


K.

[Matthew]

REAL TALK Pupa Pisces!!!

Ron...Coming from you that's a low blow!!!
You know you have people on this board that are super knowlegable and true that type like that.

And soufriere1 don't be so quick to lash out. I've seen you use slang that would seem to some people 'contrived'. examples....

1.There's a dope new wave song on there.

2.This ain't bad.

3.Yep.

4.Sure ain't no On-U Sound garbage. K.

5.It's sick.

6.My bad.

7.The OG Thompson Sound is on some very thick wax

Is it for coolness soufriere? Do chicks dig it?
Are you 'hood' or 'down'. What do you know about OG???
Sounds to me like YOU"VE done some borrowing from the ghetto/slang/language yourself.

[soufriere1]

Those are some poor examples, Matthew. OG is common record shorthand - is b/w too hood for you? How about the use of &? Is dope in the dictionary yet?

I guess Scarborough taught me to talk like that.

[Youthman Deh]

That is a good question. I can't take my words back, but can and will apologize, should it prove necessary.

Communicating through "world wide" web just lacks just about all aspects of real communication save for the language, which often can and will result in misunderstandings. In any case, I meant no offense. If some was taken, I can only offer my humble apology.

People who know Jah and His music shouldn't have to fight each other as well, for it is more than enough for I & I to face the vampires and those weak of heart every day.

Regardless, I have to point out, that I don't think it changes anything, whether one Willie Williams is included in your Jamaican friends or not. We are all merely men, and no man is perfect - only FarI.

Respect.

[robe619]

Some people say that Madonna has "adopted" an English accent. Sounds silly doesn't it?

[Rootsman]

Hi,

I have to say that this is one of the most amusing posts i`ve seen on here for some time, and it got NOTHING to do with reggae music.

Does it really matter how people speak, what patios they use. I`m a cockney from the East End of London and throughout my life i`ve had the piss taken out of the grammar I use and the way in which I pronounce words.

At the end of the day I don`t care what other people think because thats where i`m from, its where my parents are from, and i`m proud of my roots.

If people want to speak in patios, thats cool. If i`m interested in what thay have to say, then i`ll make the effort to understand what they have said.

Anyway, I thought this forum was all about the music, and surely their lies a universal language.

If some people on this forum showed the same enthusiasm towards sharing their knowledge of the music in the same way they are ready to try and belittle their fellow brothers with distasteful threads then the forum may get back to where it was 6 months ago.

Respect to one and all.

Dave

[Fabroots]

pupa pisces is exactly as some people in my native island, they now make dictionnarys for our creole langages, see the disaster:

In french by exemple we have another word that "enfant" for say "child", its "marmaille", its old french words rarely used now in France but again used a lot in my island, how they start to write it in our creole "dictionary"??

=MARMAYE!

pfff, why change a form of a word who have already a definitive one?? I know well the subject with my creole native language:
ITS JUST FOR SAY: I CAN SPEAK AND WRITE SOMETHING THAT YOU CANT UNDERSTAND, IM AN ORIGINAL PERSON!!!

Look with pupa pisces: he KNOW for sure how write the word "way", why he write it "wEy"?? Its pathetic...
If you go a day in the island called "seychelles" in indian ocean you have to know that it was old french islands, now they have independance and have change voluntary pretty all french words, in all these islands you can see horrible french form that french's only can understand, if you are another stranger you can throw your french dictionary! Same for the must easy words they try to change it, imagine how french tourists are laughing about lol
By unchance it start now in my island, they start same to learn it at school oh my god! (and a day somebody will make a sleng of my sleng for be different with the "official" one?? So stupid!)
A sleng born naturaly, its not a voluntary work!

Be true, be yourself and humble, make all what you can for make the world one, not for divise him!