BAF gone?
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Ites
Re: BAF gone?
yes, good to see it back! was as surprised as anyone to see it back, looks like the label has a second life too... but it remains to be seen
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DrSuperlove
Re: BAF gone?
"Don't agree with you that it could be a cause of the B&F demise. Downloaded stuff is business they never had and anyone who trys to run a music business these days without recognizing the impact of free downloads and copying is living in a dream world. Much more likely reason is that one of their main outlets in the UK - the FOP CD chain - has gone out of business. Maybe they were left with bad debts?"
sorry but that is such poor reasoning, illegal downloads are hurting the entire business and anyone doing it has no right to complain about this or that struggling niche label going belly up, might not even have been the main cause but it cannot but hurt a label like Blood & Fire
good to see the forum back!
sorry but that is such poor reasoning, illegal downloads are hurting the entire business and anyone doing it has no right to complain about this or that struggling niche label going belly up, might not even have been the main cause but it cannot but hurt a label like Blood & Fire
good to see the forum back!
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DUDLEY 1NE
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Rob Strictly-Rockers
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Re: BAF gone?
Sorry Dr Superlove but I think your reasoning is poorer because it is based on the assumption that someone might have bought a tune if they didn't download it. I don't think you'll find I've been complaining about niche labels going out of business.
Regards
Rob
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Rob
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gunosantos
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DrSuperlove
Re: BAF gone?
"Sorry Dr Superlove but I think your reasoning is poorer because it is based on the assumption that someone might have bought a tune if they didn't download it. I don't think you'll find I've been complaining about niche labels going out of business."
yes if all those downloading B&F releases illegally did not have that option not a single one of them would have bought the cd, that is a very like scenario there!
you can argue how much small labels lose with people stealig their product online, you can't argue that they do lose something, it's not even a fact, it's a tautology
yes if all those downloading B&F releases illegally did not have that option not a single one of them would have bought the cd, that is a very like scenario there!
you can argue how much small labels lose with people stealig their product online, you can't argue that they do lose something, it's not even a fact, it's a tautology
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Rob Strictly-Rockers
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Re: BAF gone?
Yes, I accept that it will cost them some sales and I'm sure they planned that in to their business model because pisating is a fact of life. It is the artists I feel sorry for. It would be interesting to know whether they see any of the money that is made. If they don't, then I find it difficult to feel sorry for producers, labels, publishers etc.
Regards
Rob
Regards
Rob
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DrSuperlove
Re: BAF gone?
"Yes, I accept that it will cost them some sales and I'm sure they planned that in to their business model because pisating is a fact of life."
Pirating being a "fact of life" doesn't make it anything you can indulge in in good conscience, and strange blaming a label founded more than a decade ago for not having taken into account the almost exponential growth of illegal downloads from since the mid-nineties, even stranger not blaming the thieves at all as if it's the label's fault they're getting robbbed
"It is the artists I feel sorry for. It would be interesting to know whether they see any of the money that is made. If they don't, then I find it difficult to feel sorry for producers, labels, publishers etc."
Again silly on several levels and it's absurd to be in a position where you have to argue stealing from Blood & Fire isn't such a hot idea, the label that with Heartbeat in America does most to make sure everyone gets their due - say the singer gets zilch, a producer producing, engineering, mixing and initially paying the singer to voice the track is creatively and legally at least as important as the singer, and the label reissuing it is taking a financial risk making it available to you, it's not "OK" to steal from them either, anyway f... this, pointless, thieves will be thieves
Pirating being a "fact of life" doesn't make it anything you can indulge in in good conscience, and strange blaming a label founded more than a decade ago for not having taken into account the almost exponential growth of illegal downloads from since the mid-nineties, even stranger not blaming the thieves at all as if it's the label's fault they're getting robbbed
"It is the artists I feel sorry for. It would be interesting to know whether they see any of the money that is made. If they don't, then I find it difficult to feel sorry for producers, labels, publishers etc."
Again silly on several levels and it's absurd to be in a position where you have to argue stealing from Blood & Fire isn't such a hot idea, the label that with Heartbeat in America does most to make sure everyone gets their due - say the singer gets zilch, a producer producing, engineering, mixing and initially paying the singer to voice the track is creatively and legally at least as important as the singer, and the label reissuing it is taking a financial risk making it available to you, it's not "OK" to steal from them either, anyway f... this, pointless, thieves will be thieves
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ton1
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Re: BAF gone?
@DrSuperlove : I bought some B&F releases after having downloaded it and i surely won't have if i hadn't known what was on the CD before and i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one.
Yes they would have sold some CDs if there had not been available on internet but some people don't want to waste their money and like better to know what's on the CD before buying.
Three main kinds of downloaders :
- those who download to buy after (download a lot, spend what they can in music depending on what they earn)
- those who download but cannot afford a bunch of CDs (why poor people would be deprived of music ?)
- those who download and never buy anything (albeit they could afford it).
Blame it on the third category but i'm sure if there was no download, they wouldn't buy a lot of CDs 'cause they are just selfish people with no brain (perhaps they would steal CDs).
Yes they would have sold some CDs if there had not been available on internet but some people don't want to waste their money and like better to know what's on the CD before buying.
Three main kinds of downloaders :
- those who download to buy after (download a lot, spend what they can in music depending on what they earn)
- those who download but cannot afford a bunch of CDs (why poor people would be deprived of music ?)
- those who download and never buy anything (albeit they could afford it).
Blame it on the third category but i'm sure if there was no download, they wouldn't buy a lot of CDs 'cause they are just selfish people with no brain (perhaps they would steal CDs).
Antonin