well i didn't know that people were so particular about differentiating dub plates from dub recordings.
is someone where playing dub in a party or dance, and i was enjoying it, i wouldn't give a rat's ass what format it was in. i would not laugh at the dj or think any less, because the tunes he is selecting are helping me and everyone else there to have a good time.
i wouldn't call up a radio station and complain that i think they are using an mp3. chances are, i may not be able to tell the difference (system dependent, scenario dependent, focus dependent, etc).
i'm not going to try to collect all these plates and vynals, it's hard enough paying the bills as is. i am very happy to have my recordings on cd, mp3 burns, etc...otherwise i wouldn't be able to enjoy these tunes at home.
should i feel my collection is inferior since i have no more wax? hell no. i like listening to my music as is.
i know this isn't addressing the topic exactly, but i sometimes feel like collectors like to "one up" another based on material possessions which they didn't ever really have a part of creating themselves. so why would you care that this guy enjoys his music on cd or whatever and doesn't own dub landing as a plate. he still enjoys it just the same and if the cd recording doesn't make you groove hte same as an original plate, then you are missing out on the point of music entirely.
About Dubplates
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Litelet
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Re: About Dubplates
I understand your view, Super Ape, and share your opinion about hearing them at home, but I wouldnt play a dubplate I got from mp3 to a crowd on a System.
Playing a recording of a dubplate this way is not really fair, imho, its like proposing exclusivity when its not. At the same time, I would never record a dubplate to share its sound... sounds greedy I know, but its more than just greed...
There are two things behind this... First is that a recording of a plate can only be poorer than the plate, so that sound is getting weaker. Its like with many represses, you feel you hear the same sound but the effect is totally different, weaker, and you can ruin a tune just by having a bad recording of it. So in that way, a clean original dubplate made from the tape is different (even if rare!).... Its a bit like recording an instrument analogic or digitally. It doesnt change everything but the diference count for a lot!
Then I have the impression that dubplates have sense only if they are limited and about impossible to get. The mystic around them comes from that, otherwise there is no sense to call them differently than *record* with a wild mix. Its a part of the "stamper" of a sound and some of what make dances with sound different. Not only dubplates, of course.
I know Im in a way a bit old fashioned, but I feel like there is something to lose in the emotion, in having a wide easy access to them and to see every mp3 downloaders that are DJ in local pubs playing a King Tubby dubplate after a cheesy pop song... It has to be something special, imo...
raspect
Playing a recording of a dubplate this way is not really fair, imho, its like proposing exclusivity when its not. At the same time, I would never record a dubplate to share its sound... sounds greedy I know, but its more than just greed...
There are two things behind this... First is that a recording of a plate can only be poorer than the plate, so that sound is getting weaker. Its like with many represses, you feel you hear the same sound but the effect is totally different, weaker, and you can ruin a tune just by having a bad recording of it. So in that way, a clean original dubplate made from the tape is different (even if rare!).... Its a bit like recording an instrument analogic or digitally. It doesnt change everything but the diference count for a lot!
Then I have the impression that dubplates have sense only if they are limited and about impossible to get. The mystic around them comes from that, otherwise there is no sense to call them differently than *record* with a wild mix. Its a part of the "stamper" of a sound and some of what make dances with sound different. Not only dubplates, of course.
I know Im in a way a bit old fashioned, but I feel like there is something to lose in the emotion, in having a wide easy access to them and to see every mp3 downloaders that are DJ in local pubs playing a King Tubby dubplate after a cheesy pop song... It has to be something special, imo...
raspect
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Nohay
Re: About Dubplates
Yeah litelet, i agree with you.
I have a question about acetate dubplate: how many times the disc can be played?
I have a question about acetate dubplate: how many times the disc can be played?
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super ape
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Re: About Dubplates
i agree with all you said litelet, but for me, true plates are inaccessable. i also agree that the sound is weaker via mp3, etc.
i don't really go to shows/soundsystems due to lack of them where i live.
but, i see a dance as a party, not only with the musical sounds in my ears but also the sounds of the people, their feet, etc.. at that point, i am having such a good time that i would not stop so much to listen to whether or not the bass could be crisper as i would getting caught up in the moment of enjoying the groove.
personally, i wouldn't play any cheezy reggae before a tubby mix simply cuz i don't like cheezy reggae.
but i think about all of the music i have heard blast out of someone's stereo or even the boom box on the street and i find it to be all good.
i could never afford to collect a plate, and why would i only collect 2 if i could only afford 2. that would throw off all of the rest of my collection.
i guess my previous post was simply my personal view on judging people's collections, not saying that you do it, i couldn't really care less, i was just tangenting off on a thought how i would feel if i was selecting music at a party and someone gave me grief simply because my tubby came off of a cd. i would tell him to relax and enjoy the music.
i don't really go to shows/soundsystems due to lack of them where i live.
but, i see a dance as a party, not only with the musical sounds in my ears but also the sounds of the people, their feet, etc.. at that point, i am having such a good time that i would not stop so much to listen to whether or not the bass could be crisper as i would getting caught up in the moment of enjoying the groove.
personally, i wouldn't play any cheezy reggae before a tubby mix simply cuz i don't like cheezy reggae.
but i think about all of the music i have heard blast out of someone's stereo or even the boom box on the street and i find it to be all good.
i could never afford to collect a plate, and why would i only collect 2 if i could only afford 2. that would throw off all of the rest of my collection.
i guess my previous post was simply my personal view on judging people's collections, not saying that you do it, i couldn't really care less, i was just tangenting off on a thought how i would feel if i was selecting music at a party and someone gave me grief simply because my tubby came off of a cd. i would tell him to relax and enjoy the music.
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Litelet
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Re: About Dubplates
Of course, we are just here to share opinions, nothing too serious.
I have no idea of how many times you can play decently an acetate... Mine are either close to new and I try to play them very little... Or ruff, and then apparently the sound get worse faster, I guess because of the metal dust that cause abrasion...
I have no idea of how many times you can play decently an acetate... Mine are either close to new and I try to play them very little... Or ruff, and then apparently the sound get worse faster, I guess because of the metal dust that cause abrasion...
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Digikiller
Re: About Dubplates
yes, this happens all the time. why just the other night i was down at the bar and this guy was playing Lady Gaga, and next thing you know, he was playing "rocks and mountains"!Litelet wrote: and to see every mp3 downloaders that are DJ in local pubs playing a King Tubby dubplate after a cheesy pop song...
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ed
Re: About Dubplates
because the lacquer on the metal is extremely soft and weak as a material..Litelet wrote:Of course, we are just here to share opinions, nothing too serious.
I have no idea of how many times you can play decently an acetate... Mine are either close to new and I try to play them very little... Or ruff, and then apparently the sound get worse faster, I guess because of the metal dust that cause abrasion...
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Litelet
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Re: About Dubplates
Im not surprised at all. Last WE, I saw call girls ina nightclubs streaping over *Come A Mek We Run* by the Black Bros, its getting common.Digikiller wrote:
yes, this happens all the time. why just the other night i was down at the bar and this guy was playing Lady Gaga, and next thing you know, he was playing "rocks and mountains"!
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zonard
Re: About Dubplates
Where was this Litelet ? Cause I'm coming right now !!!héhéLitelet wrote:Last WE, I saw call girls ina nightclubs streaping over Come A Mek We Run by the Black Bros
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Digikiller
Re: About Dubplates
LOL. touche!Litelet wrote:Digikiller wrote :
yes, this happens all the time. why just the other night i was down at the bar and this guy was playing Lady Gaga, and next thing you know, he was playing "rocks and mountains"!
Im not surprised at all. Last WE, I saw call girls ina nightclubs streaping over Come A Mek We Run by the Black Bros, its getting common.