cannabis causes mental illness

[Vinnie]

VINNIE what I was trying to say is death by Cannabis alone will never be a single reason for someones death from lung cancer because most Ganja smokers also smoke TOBBAC Co.

BUT there is no reason to believe that it is NOT possible.

If someone smoked ONLY Ganja and no TOBBAC Co.
I am sure they COULD get LUNG CANCER too !
( so there IS more chance of death by cancer than lightening strike)

Cannabis will never be RECOGNIZED as the sole "reason" for someones suicide/ death.
BUT it could well be the TRIGGER for their mental illness that lead to their suicide and therefore actually be a / the reason.

yes i agree with you dont get me wrong
the fact of burning a substance and inhealing it can always be a cause of (lung) cancer even if its only weed thats burned

but to determine what actually caused the cancer is not easy as there are many factors that play (air polution etc)

to consider weed to be harmless when smoked is ofcourse naive

as i said before i agree with you than weed can be a trigger (to a psychose for example)... if that leads to suicide, the actual cause, is it the weed triggering or the psychose which is to blame (or something else) knowing a psychoses can appear due to other reasons too which can also lead to suicide

i still want to mention some positive effects of weed as sung in many songs

[culture]

Im not glad it's illegal, if you read deeply into anything produced for our consumption - it will harm and kill us eventually. I say rather smoke the herb, get delusional, get lost - by the time you get to that elderly age - instead of moaning and facing deaths door sane, you'll be so lost you won't have to feel that sadness. Rather dwell in your own world.

If mental illness caused through the intake of herb effects you at a younger age? well you'll just have to accept it - you are responsible for how you live your life.

[sean]

Culture
Can you kindly explain the comment about people not having to put up with "your bullshit"?

[echochamberbaby]

i am a nursing assistant working in a psychiatric hospital and i have read all your threads while on night shift and it has been very interesting.cannabis and psychosis/schizophrenia is a hot debate in the health service too.rastas smoke the "herb" to meditate,white boys on the streets smoke it to get wasted,other users smoke it to self-medicate and alleviate pain.who is right who is wrong?
heroin is sold on the streets but is also used in hospitals.Are we free to choose what we put in our bodies?Or does babylon shitstem tell us what to eat,think,how to behave?All "Drugs" have plant origins(nature)so is nature good or bad?
peace

[selecta bing]

ECHO
Just because "Drugs" come from plants (nature)
does NOT make it debatable whether they are "good or bad".

Common sense and experience tell us that.

We are NOT free to put whatever we like into our bodies because some things
will kill / harm us in a NON controlled environment. (unlike in a hospital)
You should know that.

Ganja used for "Self Medication" in a controlled / monitored environment is fine for ill people,so long as the side effects are not worse than the benefits of the medicine.

Also I think it is predjudice/racist to say WHITE BOYS !
I DO NOT think Ganja use is specific to one race.
Do you ?

[Vinnie]

i am a nursing assistant working in a psychiatric hospital and i have read all your threads while on night shift and it has been very interesting.cannabis and psychosis/schizophrenia is a hot debate in the health service too.rastas smoke the "herb" to meditate,white boys on the streets smoke it to get wasted,other users smoke it to self-medicate and alleviate pain.who is right who is wrong?
heroin is sold on the streets but is also used in hospitals.Are we free to choose what we put in our bodies?Or does babylon shitstem tell us what to eat,think,how to behave?All "Drugs" have plant origins(nature)so is nature good or bad?
peace

very interesting point

good or bad is looking at it as it is white or black

i think a good example could be is snakes poison
in a large quantity its often deadly but used in small quantities it can be a cure for certain deseases

perhaps its the same with weed and many other products (altho i wouldnt put hard drugs in this category)... used moderatly and consumated in a different way than smoking could be healthy

regarding psychoses... its common knowledge weed can trigger psychoses so people with mental problems should stay away from it

[super ape]

many things including life events could trigger the laden schizophrenia and mental illnesses.
cannabis is medicinal.
i think that one can "overdo" cannabis for sure, but i also think that is determined by the user's own perceptions as well as that individual's energetic reaction to the cannabis's toxins.
we get high only because it is our bodies' ways of reacting to toxins entering the blood stream and dispersing.
notice how some people get ripped off of one or 2 hits yet another can smoke a whole spliff and still go about his or her day and be fully cogent and functional.
same goes for many other substances including foods.

i personally think most illnesses start up in the mind. an illness will first impede upon us energetically, then once "allowed" in, physical symptoms will arise.
that being said, thinks that are psychoactive that can alter our energy have the possibility of opening a door of perception that can steer us right or wrong. that all depends on the individual.

on a side note- vinnie has touched on a subject of medicine that i find super fascinating. mentioning the snake venom in small doses as being medicinal- such as the venom of the bushmaster snake (lachesis)- is a fine example, to a certain extent- of the concept behind homeopathy.
many people call homeopathy an energy medicine, which it is, but a better definition is informational medicine.
relating cannabis to it, which, by the way, there is both a cann indica and a cann sativia remedy used in homeopathy...notice how a high from herb causes a shift in your energy. the plant is providing your body with new information to swallow.
so i think, that some people, who get "sick" from using herb, cannot process this information that the weed will offer when smoking it.
when one takes the homeopathic medicine cannabis, though, they will not get high from it whatsoever. at that point, the amount of cannabis information absorbed is so small that only the body will recognize this new energy that can alter the body for a time being, or in some cases, permanently.
so, that being said, maybe cannabis can cure pyschosis as well?

[I-Lion Tafari]

Wow. Happy to read that someone brings in homoeopathic aspects. NUFF respect going out to the man call super ape!

Everyone should read his post carefully.

Cann. brings out what is already in you. You have to be healthy in any way to smoke it. If you´re not - stay away from weed. I´ve seen too many downfalls.

Pls do yourself a favor and boycott hybrid weed.

Yes, there are a lot of psychotic symptomes which cannabis indica can heal."Feels he is Jesus" for instance is a key symptome for a cann-ind. prescription. There are a lot of Dutch homoeopaths with lots of experience like Vermeulen or Tinus Smits. It´s a legal medicine there. In Germany we unfortunately are not allowed to cure with cann ind. cause of the laws.

If you´re interested you can read some homoeopathic materia media by authors like William Boericke, Vithoulkas, Metzger, Kent,...etc...
Hundreds of cannabis symptomes are listed there. It´s a remedy with a wide range.

Always a question of the right dose."The worst poison can be the best medicine" like Paracelsus wrote. We can use remedies which have the absolute right energetic level for the patient.

Homoeopathy is a life-long process of learning. No one should use globuli for fun or without knowledge. Pls consult your doc. If you´re German, check your natural health practitioner (Heilpraktiker).
I work in that field for nearly 15 years now.

Always like to see when poeple get bettter again. It´s a medicine for th future.


simila similibus curentur

aude sapere!

[super ape]

i-lion tafari, that is great that you study and practice homeopathy. i too am studying it.
what are the chances.

[echochamberbaby]

to selecta bing you have misunderstood me.Where I live the population is 90% white so it is a statement of FACT that white boys are smoking it.Im not being racist just describing my reality.What I was trying to highlight was the different ways these groups approach this herb. Alot of people i know(sorry but they are white boys) view weed as just another method of intoxication on a friday night with no spiritual element whereas a rasta uses it as a spritual tool and someone with Motor neurone disease would use it as an analgeasic.Of course ganja use is not specific to one race I didnt say that it was an example is all.
Superape is right when he/she says you can overdo it.My view is that you DONT need very much herb at all .It is a very potent and mind-expanding substance and possibly the reason some people are showing signs of mental ill-health as a result of smoking it is precisely for that reason.The information provided by the herb causes a brain overload which causes ill-health.The debate on cannabis causing schizophrenia is not conclusive, if it was there would be millions of schizophrenics because there are millions of smokers true?