Downloading saves money.

[Guest]

maybe you're living in the countryside eating fruits and vegetables you find on trees. In case not, i guess you have a job (or maybe you live thanks to public helps*), if you have a job, i'm sure your boss (or your clients if you're in freelance) will be happy to know that, for you, everything must be free (cause if not, you're supporting the system, that's not from me, that's your theory), i'm sure he'll be happy cause basically he would rather not to pay you and keep the money to take care of his family, buy records, a new BMW etc..

you don't get it at all. i've never said anything must be free. you're trying to change my words. you are trying to change my words in a ridiculous way. or maybe you're trying to reduce my point of view because you don't understand it.

*in that case, you must know i'm paying taxes for you as we're living in the same country (i remember some PM talking about downloads and studio one) and i'm not happy about it, i'd rather pay for needy people.

you're wrong I don't live in france. so don't worry for your money and taxes

I hope i didn't get your point, but i'm afraid i did.

sorry but you didn't get it all.

Si tu as une explication, je serais curieux de l'entendre.

l'explication c'est qu'il faut lire les posts des autres avant d'y répondre surtout si c'est pour les condamner

[Lion]

A true words Duh.

I&I have to support man like Bernard Collin,Doctor Alimantado, Linval Thompson,Prince Jazzbo and all the reggae
artists and producers walking / traveling around the globe to sales them music and give shows.

ONE LOVE TO EVERYONE & JAH BLESS YOU


Lion


"I&I SUPPORT THE MUSIC BY BUYING IT AND NOT BY ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING"

[ton1]

Sorry but there's not even a piece of explanation in what you say, nor a response to my points and other's, that's just provocation like an 8 years old child could do. So keep downloading if you're happy with it, keep being so narrow minded and selfish, I really don't give a damn cause i'm in a really good mood today and your silly posts can't prevent me from being so. Keep being one of the numerous undertakers of music and culture in general, we're proud of you.

Et je m'en carre que tu me dises que c'est caricatural, que je ne sais pas lire ou quoi que ce soit, le parasitisme a ses limites, si tu veux qu'on lise tes posts correctement, commence par préciser ta pensée. La provocation gratuite est improductive et puérile.

I leave this thread cause it can't help finding solutions, it's getting ridiculous.

[Guest]

you have any suggestions so far, oras, how they - the artists whose music we love so much - can earn a bread from this, and continue, with people like you downloading.
try for once to put yourself in their place and stop being so selfish! have you talked with any artists what you're doing?

I DON'T DOWNLOAD!!!
I DON'T DOWNLOAD!!!
I DON'T DOWNLOAD!!!

Leggo, he simply doesn't have a model to offer us

no I don't and I never pretended to. I won't change the world but will you do it? I just try to limit my participation to the shitstem.

its all right for artists to invest their own capital in a product after going independent for you to just get it for free? is that reasonable, is that how they will get back their investments, their own hard earned cash?you call that 'righteous'? will that sort of behaviour take them further? if, say, you had your own record company, would you like it the same way, would it still be acceptable after investing your own capital in it?

the abc about investment is you put some money because you 're hoping to get some more. if you play this game don't come to me complaining.

if you are talented and work hard it pays back. please don't misunderstand me... It's not (only) about money.
the greatest jamaican artists worked in factory or elsewhere, only a few of them have only played music for a living. it's like that for musicians
all over the world boneheads want to earn money without sweating only using capitals and choosing artists. is that talent? is this a job? it's like national lottery, you have to put some money to win but there are millions of loosers for one winner.

but babylon mental slavery goes his way and the mass of fool is getting bigger and bigger.

he's here to, partly, wind people up, an immature, young man's pleasure

very honored!

[Guest]

Im in the music business, i dont run a major label, everyone i know who is also in this music business is in similar position, none of us have an `army of lawyers`, none of us have even spoken to a lawyer, we all do our own business runnings, we all make a very average living from what we do, we pay artists to the extent that we can afford, as record sales get less then either we pay them less or we dont record them, result, no living for the artists, no more music for the public.

as I wrote before, when you choose to play this game you should know that only a few over thousands have success. hope you notice I haven't used the word "conscious" that makes you angry.

if you think reggae music is the preserve of big business man producers and record companies making $$$ off the backs off the downtrodden artist, or ripping off the poor general public....
blablabla

try to read my posts instead of changing my words or betraying the ideas

then once again you show your naivity making statements when you know nothing of this music business. Ive seen artists like Bernard Collins (Abyssinians) walking round from shop to shop with his bag of records trying to make a few sales on his music

well you're not the only one... I bought records directly from the artists (studio one) but it's absurd that even if I buy it from them (hand to hand money) a part of it goes to other persons (producers and music businessman, YOUR COLLEAGUES)that sold them the records. is that fair? who's naive? if you were honest, you would have mentioned this.

[Guest]

So keep downloading if you're happy with it,

another confirmation that you don't read posts

@oras
i remember some PM talking about downloads and studio one

to avoid other accusations, and further misunderstanding. he's not talking about downloading studio one...

in the pm we wrote, I was asking for the artwork (that he never sent me )he was doing for his "best ever rocksteady compilation" , he was asking me to make him a copy of studio one discographies and he told me he downloaded (dc++) to much stuff to have heard it all...

So keep downloading if you're happy with it

the nerves of this guy (td) (td) (td)

[ton1]

ton1 wrote :@oras
i remember some PM talking about downloads and studio one

to avoid other accusations, and further misunderstanding. he's not talking about downloading studio one...

in the pm we wrote, I was asking for the artwork (that he never sent me )he was doing for his "best ever rocksteady compilation" , he was asking me to make him a copy of studio one discographies and he told me he downloaded (dc++) to much stuff to have heard it all...

lol !
you're way too dishonest !!!! I've never sent you anything cause i've never made that compilation (i'm too busy for it now and when i'll make it, be sure i won't sent you anything), i was asking for a copy of the studio one discography in case it's not for sale but it is and i'll buy it when necessary.

what a pity, you're so predictible !!!! I wrote "I remember" on purpose and you bet I hadn't kept the PM but I did keep it (and can prove it if necessary), don't you remember ? :
> d'où sort ta publication, c'est en vente quelque
> part ? parce que ça m'intéresse carrément, ou bien
> si tu peux me faire une copie. Ça me permettra en
> plus de te dire si j'ai des trucs qui ne sont pas
> dessus et inversement.
(if someone want a translation, please ask me)

and yes I download a LOT but I also buy a lot of CDs and records too (as many as i can), I have nothing to hide, i've written it yet in some other threads.

> Pour télécharger, j'utilise DC++, ça marche par
> communauté (des "hubs") et de nombreuses sont
> dédiées au reggae notamment une (Good Looking
> Music) sur laquelle il est possible de trouver des
> perles assez rares.

You're pathetic, you should stop ridiculizing yourself !

[ton1]

Sorry to stay, i had said i leave the place but i cannot let someone nearly insult me without answering

[Duh !]

So Coxsone Dodd was a big bad capitalist man, and so was Duke Ried, Prince Buster, Bunny Lee, Lee Perry, Niney, Glen Brown, Phil Pratt, Jack Ruby, Tappa Zukie, Linval Thompson, Junjo Lawes, Augustus Pablo and every other Jamaican producer then.. i wonder you can bare to listen to reggae music, its all so corrupted isnt it !

[leggo rocker]

This post has very little to do with reggae anymore.

So it's off to the Off Topic area with it where, hopefully, it might cool down a little.