Siegi wrote:Bandit3 Let everyone speak for himself. We heard your opinion, thank you for that, it makes sense to some and less sense to others.
Im just asking everyone to worry about their own evaluations and to put aside their egos, dont be so suprised that some might like something you dont or vice versa. Do you like your favorite record more or less because other people do too, or because other people also have it? The problem is far bigger than this discussion, people complaining about represses because they're selfish, people uploading imcomplete rips on youtube because they are afraid some1 might bootleg a recording, people bragging about what records theyve bought or what kind of deals theyve gotten, etc. A seemingly endless popularity contest, look at me look at me.
let them speak for themseleves aye? you've got to be kidding me. each time you call something overrated you are second guessing how and why it could have appealed to another person. you, my friend, are the one undermining their individuality. your passive agressive bs is overrated siegi. did i use that correctly?
How other reggae heads evaluate records is important. I would have missed out on some truly essential records if I hadn't heeded others' recommendations. Other times I wonder why anyone would even want to listen to - let alone pay for - certain purportedly big tunes. Inevitably, people who dig deep into any genre of music will keep track of which records are considered essential and it's simply fun to see how your taste stacks up.
As far as ego-trippin goes, at least reggae collectors have a long way to go before they reach northern soul standards!
ok ill play this game- imo Gideon Jah Ruubal is nothing special vocal-wise and only Love Rasta and its dub are worth a listen. I read somewhere that some producers would drop a poorly sung vocal out of the mix for that reason then drop it back in when the singer hit the right note.I think this thread is in danger of getting nasty-cool down your temper people!
I tend to overrate other people's records.That is, records other people own but I don't. Have you ever noticed this phenomenon? Why do other people's records sound so much better?
What I mean is: you're over at a friend's house and he busts out something you haven't heard before and it's like the most amazing thing ever. Or, you hear a snippet of something on a radio show or a sound tape, and you just HAVE to find out what it is and get a copy.
Then, after you get it, you think "I remember this being better than it is"
bandit3 wrote:Siegi wrote :Bandit3
let them speak for themseleves aye? you've got to be kidding me. each time you call something overrated you are second guessing how and why it could have appealed to another person. you, my friend, are the one undermining their individuality. your passive agressive bs is overrated siegi. did i use that correctly?
Who are you to judge other peoples opinions or motivations. It is YOU undermining individuality because we cannot have an opionion when motivated for the wrong reasons in your eyes?????? I guess you think that you are better then others. I seen to manny false prophets in my life. But I guess you are not interest in this thread only to hyjack it also seen you nickname. This discussion handles overrated records. If you continue I ask for a ban for hyjacking. I guess you overrate yourself.
It doesnt take a rocket scientist to notice your broken logic. While you worry about how i might be hindering another ideas, you continue to discuss, question, undermine what, how and why others have come to like something. Because it certainly isnt possible that you are underrating those very same records. So you're either a hypocrite or an idoit, but you sir are the one attempting to decide and pass judgment on the behalf of others. Opinions are irrelavent, why you place so much value on them is beyond me. So you might want to question your motivating for judging the tastes of others (are you lazy, insecure) b4 pointing the finger. hmmm Individuality, im not sure but i dont think that is supposed to include the the concerns of a group, rather your own independent thinking. Its okay if you end up aligning with the thoughts of others, but consider and decide for yourself. You might read a thread like that, and end up missing out on something you wouldve really liked. I might find this discussion less problematic if there was a clear definition as to what made a record overrated versus just one you dont like. Would also be interested to see whether you would actually follow thru and tell the artist that their record was overrated given you had the chance. You're such a big guy sitting there passing judgement on anothers musical endeavors. You make it sound so easy, why dont you put out an album and face the criticism, that why you wouldnt have to weed thru all the overrated prods out there
I think you got the wrong guy in front of you but hé it seems you know me based on assumptions and conclusions. very lame for a discussion.
But oke let analyse it. If people want to talk about records there is always a opinion involved. If you see a person your mind makes automatic an opinion/judgement. That is called being a human. Dismiss it is not realistic. Seems you also got a opion on me lazy insecure and so on. Back to records, you have to have an opinion to talk about it and it is NICE to hear people motivate their opinions,. That is callled having a conversation because out of mutual interest. Nothing more or less. That is what a forum is built on information and opinions.
But oke now my personal opinion. Everybody that deals with music has to be respected. See my comment in this forum.
Futher, group thinking, pressure and so on I left it years ago.I was extreme writing things like you do and thinking that it is the truth because ego, group thinking and pressure created all the shit in this world. Right. The people that live in groups are weak because they need it, only the independent are true strong and donnot hurt and can protect. Recognizable????? Well you are almost there. Now come down and respect everybody with all their weaknesses they have. Live and learn.
The last thing I'am writing about this. Read this forum over 10 years from now.
I don't really think this thread needs all the debate. If someone thinks it negative that some people think that a record is overrated in the general opinion then they are welcome to disagree with the statement or rather just leave the discussion be.
Also I've never seen the logic of an argument like »if you don't like it then do something better yourself«. So people should only be allowed to critisize when they are »better« in something (how is that even judged in an objective way)? The mentality should then be to only kick downwards and kiss upwards? I couldn't sing if my life depended on it. Does this mean that I won't be able to say that I don't rate the vocals of an artist like Keith Hudson (I do like though)? Or say that I was mute would that mean that I'd never be allowed to have an opinion on vocalists/deejays? It's a weak nonsense argument.
Just to say I feel that Sugar Minott produced some overrated stuff but I can`t currently be too specific. He was an overrated artist for certain though.
