No CLive, religion is NOT the cause of this fighting. Religion is used as an EXCUSE for fighting, but very very few real scriptures actually condone killing.
The cause of fighting is always envy, greed and lust. And sometimes, just sometimes, people actually fight for what they perceive to be freedom.
"War is ugly and love is lovely" U-Roy (I think?)
Bunny Wailer banned for homophobia
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leggo rocker
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Litelet
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Ya true Leggo. But by the time its getting dogmatic (and it's the root of most religions: you accept something as THE truth), the road to confrontation and segregation is easier the step in... The dogm is then sometime perceived as the cornerstone of the religion, guarantor of its integrity and can lead to extremism.
The people who live their religion away from this are really respectable and self confident. I really believe in them, as well as self-confident agnostics and atheics.
The people who live their religion away from this are really respectable and self confident. I really believe in them, as well as self-confident agnostics and atheics.
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Pluie
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I fully agry with Litelet. The step between religious dogm and intolerance is easy to walk.
And each and everyone knows that many of intolerant ones deserve more fire than the ones they accuse.
Great respect to the enlighten one living his religion healthy.
Pluie.
And each and everyone knows that many of intolerant ones deserve more fire than the ones they accuse.
Great respect to the enlighten one living his religion healthy.
Pluie.
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bullit
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There is so much love in our hearts, when I die, if I meet a creator I know he/she would accept me for I have only ever tried to show love.
Homosexuals have only done the same, shown love; the world needs more people willing to show this.
People go through trials and tribulations, it must be very difficult being gay in this world, and they must strive like each of us does against the system.
Striving for a cause can hold a heavy weight upon one, listeners of reggae, followers of Rasta know about causes and the fight, the loses and the pain we must endure, respect to others cause is key.
We of all sexualities must hold united as one against Babylon and the system, love and unity is our strength and it offers us protection.
Segregation can only weaken us; to create hatred where there is none will be our downfall.
Homosexuals have only done the same, shown love; the world needs more people willing to show this.
People go through trials and tribulations, it must be very difficult being gay in this world, and they must strive like each of us does against the system.
Striving for a cause can hold a heavy weight upon one, listeners of reggae, followers of Rasta know about causes and the fight, the loses and the pain we must endure, respect to others cause is key.
We of all sexualities must hold united as one against Babylon and the system, love and unity is our strength and it offers us protection.
Segregation can only weaken us; to create hatred where there is none will be our downfall.
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Javier
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Re: Bunny Wailer banned for homophobia
love.light.peace I don't know if gays have a choice really, I am not gay so I couldn't know, but I&I do know that way of acting is not good before the eyes of the God of Israel. I agree that priests shouldn't deny their sexual orientation.
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"No, I will not embrace 'Handbag House music' over reggae because I refuse to inform homosexuals that pumping rump leads them to eternal damnation."
I just wanted all reggae listeners to acknowledge that all true rastamen condemn homosexualism, and if they don't do it directly burning fyah in their songs, they do it by "chanting down babylon". So let us be honest, the music we all listen sings against that, and someone said "many reggae true lovers and even artists are not rasta, and some of them are atheist." C'mon.. 85% of Jamaican singers are rastafarians, we could argue eternally about which of them is really a rasta or what is to be a rasta but that is not the question. I do agree there are true reggae followers that are not rasta and some could even be atheists, but all need to accept that almost all singers sing against babylon, that is sodomism, capitalism, injustice, poverty, etc.
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"Call me old fashioned but I think respecting your elders , upholding the meek and standing up for what you believe in are far more valid ways of fighting evil."
We all choose what to belive, I choose to belive in Rastafari and the Bible. Call me old fashioned...
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"No, I will not embrace 'Handbag House music' over reggae because I refuse to inform homosexuals that pumping rump leads them to eternal damnation."
I just wanted all reggae listeners to acknowledge that all true rastamen condemn homosexualism, and if they don't do it directly burning fyah in their songs, they do it by "chanting down babylon". So let us be honest, the music we all listen sings against that, and someone said "many reggae true lovers and even artists are not rasta, and some of them are atheist." C'mon.. 85% of Jamaican singers are rastafarians, we could argue eternally about which of them is really a rasta or what is to be a rasta but that is not the question. I do agree there are true reggae followers that are not rasta and some could even be atheists, but all need to accept that almost all singers sing against babylon, that is sodomism, capitalism, injustice, poverty, etc.
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"Call me old fashioned but I think respecting your elders , upholding the meek and standing up for what you believe in are far more valid ways of fighting evil."
We all choose what to belive, I choose to belive in Rastafari and the Bible. Call me old fashioned...
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Pluie
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As an exemple (it's already been said), take Sly and Robbie. No need mention they are some of the most important and influent reggae artists, they did not hesitate to back a notorious homosexual artist, sinnead o connor (whether you like it or not). I don't see any "true rastafarians" throw any stone to them, and i'm glad of it.
This actually is the proof (and that's not an exception, far from it, even if most of reggae artists are actually rastafarians) that you can love and even practice reggae music without taking as THE truth what is (or what you think is) in the bible. Because it is known that many read in the bible what they want to find, that's why there are such fights about interpretation. I think Javier won't be surprised by the fact that rastafarians are heretics to most of traditional catholics or jewish people , although they read the same book.
This actually is the proof (and that's not an exception, far from it, even if most of reggae artists are actually rastafarians) that you can love and even practice reggae music without taking as THE truth what is (or what you think is) in the bible. Because it is known that many read in the bible what they want to find, that's why there are such fights about interpretation. I think Javier won't be surprised by the fact that rastafarians are heretics to most of traditional catholics or jewish people , although they read the same book.
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leggo rocker
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It can be very hard to be gay. I have a very good friend who is gay. Try as hard aas he could he just couldn't get into women (no pun intended).
Yet he loves reggae, and is probably the most holy person I know. He now virtually retired from life to dedicate himsefl to the worship of his God.
He is not a bad person. And he doesn't deserve fire or beatings or even bad words. He just got dealt a bad at birth.
Yet he loves reggae, and is probably the most holy person I know. He now virtually retired from life to dedicate himsefl to the worship of his God.
He is not a bad person. And he doesn't deserve fire or beatings or even bad words. He just got dealt a bad at birth.
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Pluie
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Leggo.
This is full of contradictions. Your friend is a good person, as you say it. So you can't say he just got dealt a bad at birth ! That's how he is, and otherwise he would maybe not be as good as he actually is. Moreover, I think that gays don't have to "try as hard as they can to get into women".
Respect,
Pluie.
This is full of contradictions. Your friend is a good person, as you say it. So you can't say he just got dealt a bad at birth ! That's how he is, and otherwise he would maybe not be as good as he actually is. Moreover, I think that gays don't have to "try as hard as they can to get into women".
Respect,
Pluie.
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leggo rocker
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Perhaps you misunderstood me or I didn't make my point very clearly.
He did try, maybe only due to the pressure put on him by 'society', to walk the straight path. But he couldn't. His nature really is homosexual. Unavoidably so. That's what I meant by "he try hard etc".
But the other point you make is right. His nature is frowned upon by many, and that's why I said he was dealt a bad card. But actually, his birth is a very good one, because he has found a real and genuine peace in his heart through his faith that few of us ever will. And I envy him for that.
And yes you are right again: For when I first met him he was an extremely confused and fragile person. But the struggle, the intense hardship and deep misery that his nature so often caused in his early years eventually led to him becoming a very strong person in spirit and mind - and thus able to trod the path he now treads.
I hope that makes it clear.
I find forums can be a very hard place to get over the real meaning of what you want to say. Especially when the members have many different languages and cultures, like on this brilliant forum.
He did try, maybe only due to the pressure put on him by 'society', to walk the straight path. But he couldn't. His nature really is homosexual. Unavoidably so. That's what I meant by "he try hard etc".
But the other point you make is right. His nature is frowned upon by many, and that's why I said he was dealt a bad card. But actually, his birth is a very good one, because he has found a real and genuine peace in his heart through his faith that few of us ever will. And I envy him for that.
And yes you are right again: For when I first met him he was an extremely confused and fragile person. But the struggle, the intense hardship and deep misery that his nature so often caused in his early years eventually led to him becoming a very strong person in spirit and mind - and thus able to trod the path he now treads.
I hope that makes it clear.
I find forums can be a very hard place to get over the real meaning of what you want to say. Especially when the members have many different languages and cultures, like on this brilliant forum.
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bwoyrough
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"but all need to accept that almost all singers sing against babylon, that is sodomism, capitalism, injustice, poverty, etc."
They may sing about Babylon but i honestly do not beleive that they all denounce homosexuality, on the outside it looks like they are all anti-gay but who in there right nind would come out and show there support, they know what would happen to them so they keep quiet, we can't honestly beleive that there are no gay reggae singers out there, the last thing they would do is make it public in such a hostile environment as JA with there attitudes to gay people.
There was a very similar thread not so long back on here or B+F, which disccussed all these things.
i think if people want to use the bibles words to justify there hatred towards gay people, then i say that they are hypocrites, the bible clearly says love your brother as thyself, forgive etc. how can such a holy person with such a strong faith who listens to the bibles words so carefully hate another man, for no other reason than that man being created by JAH this way. Thats my case everytime, alot of people like to use certain parts of the bible and take that as the 100% law of things, well if they do that then i say u must also live by the rest of the rules not just the ones that suit. I feel that the whole argument about the bible saying it's not right to be gay discredits Rastafari as it can come across as very contradicting talking about hate of gods creation, lets hope one day this argument ends and everyone can understand that we are all made by jah and we do not choose the way we are born, i'm sure most gay people given the choice would choose to be straight without doubt due to the persecution. I think the persecution of any minority group stinks, we all know where this kind of thought leads societies just look at out past, we should of learnt from slavery not to condem another man for the way god created him.
"but all need to accept that almost all singers sing against babylon, that is sodomism, capitalism, injustice, poverty, etc."
They may sing about Babylon but i honestly do not beleive that they all denounce homosexuality, on the outside it looks like they are all anti-gay but who in there right nind would come out and show there support, they know what would happen to them so they keep quiet, we can't honestly beleive that there are no gay reggae singers out there, the last thing they would do is make it public in such a hostile environment as JA with there attitudes to gay people.
There was a very similar thread not so long back on here or B+F, which disccussed all these things.
i think if people want to use the bibles words to justify there hatred towards gay people, then i say that they are hypocrites, the bible clearly says love your brother as thyself, forgive etc. how can such a holy person with such a strong faith who listens to the bibles words so carefully hate another man, for no other reason than that man being created by JAH this way. Thats my case everytime, alot of people like to use certain parts of the bible and take that as the 100% law of things, well if they do that then i say u must also live by the rest of the rules not just the ones that suit. I feel that the whole argument about the bible saying it's not right to be gay discredits Rastafari as it can come across as very contradicting talking about hate of gods creation, lets hope one day this argument ends and everyone can understand that we are all made by jah and we do not choose the way we are born, i'm sure most gay people given the choice would choose to be straight without doubt due to the persecution. I think the persecution of any minority group stinks, we all know where this kind of thought leads societies just look at out past, we should of learnt from slavery not to condem another man for the way god created him.