Educate Yourself

[MightyZ]

I am mistrustful of scientists who piece together elaborate chains of facts from a few findings. The problem with this is that only one of the unproven assumptions they have made turns out to be incorrect, the whole chain of reasoning could turn out to be nonsense. Finding out that they were wrong about some things is a long established part of Scientific development - but they always seem to think that what they are now thinking is the absolute truth! Once upon a time visionary people were being ridiculed for suggesting that the earth was not flat - now you would be ridiculed for thinking that.
For me the debate as to whether humans have always been omnivores is irrelevant anyway. There are so many good reasons for us to avoid meat, if we are such intelligent beings, why are we still doing it?
As for the protein argument, the density of protein in meat is not really a good thing for our bodies - it is part of the problem. It leads to digestive disorders. The simpler proteins in vegetables - and generally smaller doses - are easier for our bodies to assimilate.
There are vegetarian foods that give you a complete amino acid spectrum (by which I mean that they include all the ones that your body cannot synthesise from the others).
In my early twenties I put on 2 stone of fat free muscle in 6 months on a vegetarian diet (to play American Football) - without using steroids! Avoiding Steaks and other traditional 'High Protein' meats made it easy to put on the weight without continually needing a fat burning or 'cutting' phase.

I'll leave leggorocker to argue the origins of the species as his knowledge is much greater. I'll just ask this question...
If you know that meat is causing health problems as well as contributing to world hunger and animal suffering, why on earth would any intelligent and/or spiritual and/or moral being still do it?

MightyZ

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[leggo rocker]

I'll just ask this question...
If you know that meat is causing health problems as well as contributing to world hunger and animal suffering, why on earth would any intelligent and/or spiritual and/or moral being still do it?

MightyZ

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It's all because of lust, greed and Babylon's conditioning. It is very difficult to be a vegetarian in the face of what is often very aggressive opposition.

MightyZ was a born vegetarian and yet had to endure being literally force fed meat - only to vomit it back up and face angry punishment from his father and, I am deeply ashamed to admit, ridicule from his own brothers.

The meat industry is as powerful, if not more so, than the weapons industry.

Even in schools, these meat industry opinions and marketing slogans are being taught to our children dressed as science.

One of my kids actually got work marked DOWN because she failed to include meat in a daily diet during a science class.

Most of the world gets by on little or no meat at all, making the world actually more vegetarian than you may think. Sadly, the gross overconsumption of the minority means mass murder is still being committed daily just to feed the few.

[chromatic]

And I know someone soon will pipe in with the old chestnut about vegetables being alive. Yes, absolutely true. Which is why all devout Hindus offer all their food to their God first, to try to take away the 'sin' of killing plants to eat!

Only frutarians are genuinely able to occupy the moral high ground here.

I always say - if I could live without eating vegetables, I would... (there's a great Roald Dahl short story about a man who invents a machine able to hear the pain of plants, which drives him insane). Though of course MightyZ's comment about fruit & vegetables wanting to be eaten is true too.

People will believe what the system tells them, though, since they internalise it as part of their identity, despite glaring evidence to the contrary (not meant as a personal comment, just a general observation on society) - I always found it odd as a vegetarian from birth that someone standing in front of me could say that they wouldn't bring up a child vego for health reasons...

[MightyZ]

I always found it odd as a vegetarian from birth that someone standing in front of me could say that they wouldn't bring up a child vego for health reasons...

I brought both my children up vegetarian and faced much criticism, my eldest is now 19 and about 6ft tall and over 14 and a half stone (not fat, just solidly and strongly built - he looks like a viking warrior with his long blonde hair and red beard!) - I can see how I failed him nutritionally!

They say 'but your not giving them the choice! They were given the choice at the earliest possible age and in a responsible and open way - see leggorocker's last
post for how much choice I was given in the matter when I was a child!

MightyZ

[leggo rocker]

I agree. I hate it when people accuse me of not giving my kids a choice.

Bringing your kids up as veggies *is* giving them the choice. The choice NOT to eat flesh. They can always do that when they leave home. Although by then it is likely they'll NEVER want to touch the stuff.

I know my children are extremely grateful for having been given the choice *not* to eat meat.

[Jah Titus]

Breda Leggo an Breda Mighty yu giv your children a TRUE an HIGH Choice in Life. Dem a guide by LIGHT OF IRATION.


JAH BLESS

[Nefta]

Hey, if the world turn off the meat industry and began a capitalist vision of the veggi meal Do you think that the enviorment problems would be solved??? Rememer that they would use all the power of money to control the way we produce this food and use all the chemicals & shit they use to make fruits and vegetals bigger.Then what would you do??Also you can't consider to grow of your own because it will be ilegal(Imagine this part) of course because the grow of veggies will be regulate like the meet industry and have to comply with standars of production.

[leggo rocker]

OK Nefta. So we just do nothing? Or worse. We keep on killing just because vegetables might be part of some capitalist system? Which of course they already are!

Never talk yourself into inaction using this "it's a hopeless case" logic. That's what babylon wants.

We all have a responsibility to ourselves and others to do what is right, as far as we can.

"You reap what you sew"

[Nefta]

The thread is on education and im just throwing in the air that even if we discuss only about diets taking it to the extremes may still cause problems.I have seen with my eyes a hungry vegetarian eat whatever they can (my sister).I don't have problems eating veggies or meet.Even before the market was establish my people eat what the earth produce including both diets.I think the best is to use resourses keeping a balance.If the market turn to a veggie diet only the balance will be disturbe too

[leggo rocker]

I don't see the logic in the argument that not eating meat will cause an imbalance or economic problems.

When it is clear that eating meat is cruel, nutritionally unnecessary and unhealthy, ecologically unsound, economically inefficient, what logic is there for the continuance of our carnivorous activities?

And above all, it is an offence to God who really doesn't want to see us eating his creatures or destroying his planet to do so.

We can't educate ourselves if we can't qualify ourselves as civilised humanity and behave decently toward the animals and the planet.