why i am against the war in Iraq

[sean]

Because i believe in a humane world, one where might just isnt right, violence isnt the be all and end all solution, and we are all suffering due to uk and usa beefing up their arsenals and destroying life in Iraq. Bloodshed does nothing for me, i feel we need to look at our lives and start to weave in some peace.
Abolition of money may be good too..check socialist standard online if you want.

[leggo rocker]

I remember watching the initial invasion of the Iraq while working in Australia with a friend of mine, who is from Texas.

He was ashamed of his home state that day. And we both agreed that all that would come from this action was suffering on top of suffering.

More Babylon conspiracy. Nothing to do with peace and everything to do with making some evil rich men even richer.

[sean]

Completely right there leggo rocker. Many thanks
Sean

[Jah Glu]

So all americans. Who will you vote on?

[leggo rocker]

So all americans. Who will you vote on?

Not 'all americans' because only about 30% of them get to vote...

Democracy? More like DemonCrazy

[ital kemar]

whoever they vote for, lets hope that everyones vote gets counted this time. one man one vote.
initially they said they were looking for weapons of mass destruction, none found.
i think we all know that there was an ulterior motive. pity so many people lost their lives for greed along the way.

ital kemar

[leggo rocker]

War inna Babylon

Tribal War inna Babylon

[Chris]

Jah Glu wrote :So all americans. Who will you vote on?

Not 'all americans' because only about 30% of them get to vote...

Democracy? More like DemonCrazy

Hey Leggo,
30% is a little low:

http://elections.gmu.edu/Voter_Turnout_2004.htm

[leggo rocker]

Note the use of the words 'estimate' - who estimated?

and 'Eligible'

- the Eligible thing is used by the US State to suppress voting.

I read about large scale disenfranchisement of the American voter, especially the poor voter.

So I reckon it might be nearer the 30 than the 60 % claimed there.

But even at 60% that means that FAR less than half of America actually voted for Bush. and that's without the dodgy counting!

[Chris]

Estimated because like population surveys it's impossible to count everybody, so they use sampling.

Eligible in the U.S. basically means those not convicted of a felony (which may be changing very soon) and those that are citizens.

According to the "estimates" of the 221 million Americans of voting age (over 18 in the US) there are 203 million eligible voters, or about 92% of adults over 18.

There can be a big difference between those that actually vote and those that are eligible to vote, but to say that, "only about 30% of them get to vote" is incorrect. If only 60% of those that are eligilbe to vote actually show up that's not the same as not allowing them to vote.

Yes, there were issues with disenfranchisement in states like Ohio, but not enough to drop eligible voters to your 30%.

You are also correct to say that less than half of those that cast votes, voted for G.W. Bush, but that has more to do with our anachoronistic electoral process than anything else.

Chris