Islamic Reggae
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dmille
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rasta?
Rasta is reggae like hippie is rock & roll. Yeah, rastas reject the whole western mentality.
But then they move to the UK or the US once they get famous. They play on electric and electronic instruments and tour the world on 747s. And do their best to get million dollar deals with the major record labels.
But then they move to the UK or the US once they get famous. They play on electric and electronic instruments and tour the world on 747s. And do their best to get million dollar deals with the major record labels.
If Jah is standing by my side...
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John Public
Re: Islamic Reggae
@ Guido
Of course it's a mine field, but you don't need to be afraid. We are just talking about it.
@dmille
In some way you are right. Yes they play on electric instruments and even buy themselves big cars and tings and tings. But I wouldn't say they are like hippies. They still praying to a black king and believe in a black culture. There is a kind of misunderstanding in that whole "One Love" Movement. Reggae is not (only) about One Love. Just to mention batty boys subject. I think it was Peter Tosh that made the first verbal attacks against batty boys in 1983. Talking about Peter Tosh. If you would see some of Peter Tosh live concerts in the 80ies you would see him wear some of the palastinian dress. In the title song "equal rights" he sings "Palastinia is fighting for equal rights and justice". Prince Allah, Prince Mohammed aka George Nooks, Prince Buster, Alpha Blondy, Tiken Jah Fakoli are only some of those people that felt a kind of admiration to the muslim believes. Of course they are all rastas, but there is a kind of connection more than the christian belief. For Example 90% of the reggae musician say that pope paul is the devil himself.
Of course it's a mine field, but you don't need to be afraid. We are just talking about it.
@dmille
In some way you are right. Yes they play on electric instruments and even buy themselves big cars and tings and tings. But I wouldn't say they are like hippies. They still praying to a black king and believe in a black culture. There is a kind of misunderstanding in that whole "One Love" Movement. Reggae is not (only) about One Love. Just to mention batty boys subject. I think it was Peter Tosh that made the first verbal attacks against batty boys in 1983. Talking about Peter Tosh. If you would see some of Peter Tosh live concerts in the 80ies you would see him wear some of the palastinian dress. In the title song "equal rights" he sings "Palastinia is fighting for equal rights and justice". Prince Allah, Prince Mohammed aka George Nooks, Prince Buster, Alpha Blondy, Tiken Jah Fakoli are only some of those people that felt a kind of admiration to the muslim believes. Of course they are all rastas, but there is a kind of connection more than the christian belief. For Example 90% of the reggae musician say that pope paul is the devil himself.
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dmille
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Rasta = hippie?
When I said rasta is reggae like hippie is rock & roll, I meant that the rasta-roots-dub era is looked at as the golden age of reggae just as the 60s-hippie-peace & love-woodstock era is looked at as the golden age of rock & roll.
Reggae didn't start or end with rastas just as rock & roll didn't start or end with hippies. In both cases, the music moved on. But some are still stuck in the past.
There might be some Palestinians who believe in equal rights and justice. Then there are others who think that the Nazi death camps were a good idea.
As an American, I always look to the Declaration of Independence. If a Muslim believes that EVERY human being has the to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness AND that those rights come from GOD/ALLAH; then I don't have a problem with that Muslim.
But it seems that too many Muslims believe that ALLAH didn't give those rights to the Jews or the Christians or the Hindu or the Buddhists or the Atheist OR THE RASTAS. That is why I said earlier that Islam is antithetical to everything Reggae stands for (IMO).
It seems that too many Muslims can't answer the question of why the blessings of ALLAH are poured out on the West. It seems that the infidel (Christendom) has the wealth, the power, the influence, the prestige that the Islamic world can only dream about. IF ALLAH IS ALLAH, why does ALLAH allow this?
Reggae didn't start or end with rastas just as rock & roll didn't start or end with hippies. In both cases, the music moved on. But some are still stuck in the past.
There might be some Palestinians who believe in equal rights and justice. Then there are others who think that the Nazi death camps were a good idea.
As an American, I always look to the Declaration of Independence. If a Muslim believes that EVERY human being has the to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness AND that those rights come from GOD/ALLAH; then I don't have a problem with that Muslim.
But it seems that too many Muslims believe that ALLAH didn't give those rights to the Jews or the Christians or the Hindu or the Buddhists or the Atheist OR THE RASTAS. That is why I said earlier that Islam is antithetical to everything Reggae stands for (IMO).
It seems that too many Muslims can't answer the question of why the blessings of ALLAH are poured out on the West. It seems that the infidel (Christendom) has the wealth, the power, the influence, the prestige that the Islamic world can only dream about. IF ALLAH IS ALLAH, why does ALLAH allow this?
If Jah is standing by my side...
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John Public
Re: Islamic Reggae
But you still don't have to look in the past. Sizzla, Capleton, Garnett and Morgan Heritage all those people are rastas. Rasta is still there. But ok the sound of the 70ies is different from the sound today. That's the reason why the people call it modern roots. That Reggae or dancehall music is not all about rasta you can hear on elephant man or vybz kartel songs. But it's still a huge part.
Now it's getting political. When I hear you talk, I think that you don't know a lot of muslims (maybe you do). I think many Palestinians are fighting for their right. But in TV you only see those that build bombs. Of course this is not the right way to fight for equal rights and justice. But what about america? I think the whole war in iraq was unnecessary. We don't have to mention that saddam is an evil downpressor. But to bomb this country and kill innocent people is surely not the right way to help the people. And still many people are dying there. Iraquis, American, French and so on. I was suprised about the George Bush re-election. Did you see the michael moore movie?
Now it's getting political. When I hear you talk, I think that you don't know a lot of muslims (maybe you do). I think many Palestinians are fighting for their right. But in TV you only see those that build bombs. Of course this is not the right way to fight for equal rights and justice. But what about america? I think the whole war in iraq was unnecessary. We don't have to mention that saddam is an evil downpressor. But to bomb this country and kill innocent people is surely not the right way to help the people. And still many people are dying there. Iraquis, American, French and so on. I was suprised about the George Bush re-election. Did you see the michael moore movie?
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dmille
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John Public
Why didn't you address the merits of the issues I raised?
I suppose it is easier to talk about the evils of the west.
"As an American, I always look to the Declaration of Independence. If a Muslim believes that EVERY human being has the to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness AND that those rights come from GOD/ALLAH; then I don't have a problem with that Muslim."
Are you going to address this or not?
"...it seems that too many Muslims believe that ALLAH didn't give those rights to the Jews or the Christians or the Hindu or the Buddhists or the Atheist OR THE RASTAS. That is why I said earlier that Islam is antithetical to everything Reggae stands for (IMO)."
How about this statement?
"It seems that too many Muslims can't answer the question of why the blessings of ALLAH are poured out on the West. It seems that the infidel (Christendom) has the wealth, the power, the influence, the prestige that the Islamic world can only dream about. IF ALLAH IS ALLAH, why does ALLAH allow this?"
I forgot to add the most important thing - THE FREEDOM.
I suppose it is easier to talk about the evils of the west.
"As an American, I always look to the Declaration of Independence. If a Muslim believes that EVERY human being has the to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness AND that those rights come from GOD/ALLAH; then I don't have a problem with that Muslim."
Are you going to address this or not?
"...it seems that too many Muslims believe that ALLAH didn't give those rights to the Jews or the Christians or the Hindu or the Buddhists or the Atheist OR THE RASTAS. That is why I said earlier that Islam is antithetical to everything Reggae stands for (IMO)."
How about this statement?
"It seems that too many Muslims can't answer the question of why the blessings of ALLAH are poured out on the West. It seems that the infidel (Christendom) has the wealth, the power, the influence, the prestige that the Islamic world can only dream about. IF ALLAH IS ALLAH, why does ALLAH allow this?"
I forgot to add the most important thing - THE FREEDOM.
If Jah is standing by my side...
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John Public
Re: Islamic Reggae
Well the first statement I am d'accord with you.
You say "it seems that too many moslems believe that allah didn't give those rights to Jews,..." This is why I said to you. "you maybe don't know a lot of moslems. Because you say it seems. You only know those you see on TV. And TV is telling you that most of the moslems are bad. And sorry brother I can't agree with that.
The 3rd statemendt you did was: "It seems that the christendom has the wealth, the power... the islamic world can only dream about" I also have to disagree. Many of these countries are rich countries, because of their ----> OIL. And that is the western world dreaming about. They wish they could resist all the fucking oil.
Maybe the next thing you will say: "Yeah these are rich countries but still the oppressors keep the people poor in iraq for example." Well yes it happens in some countries like iraq. And a Caesar like Saddam had to be stopped. But still I think it was not the right way to chose to go on and make war. Many muslims believe also in Freedom, but not in that kind of freedom that happens at this minute in iraq.
You say "it seems that too many moslems believe that allah didn't give those rights to Jews,..." This is why I said to you. "you maybe don't know a lot of moslems. Because you say it seems. You only know those you see on TV. And TV is telling you that most of the moslems are bad. And sorry brother I can't agree with that.
The 3rd statemendt you did was: "It seems that the christendom has the wealth, the power... the islamic world can only dream about" I also have to disagree. Many of these countries are rich countries, because of their ----> OIL. And that is the western world dreaming about. They wish they could resist all the fucking oil.
Maybe the next thing you will say: "Yeah these are rich countries but still the oppressors keep the people poor in iraq for example." Well yes it happens in some countries like iraq. And a Caesar like Saddam had to be stopped. But still I think it was not the right way to chose to go on and make war. Many muslims believe also in Freedom, but not in that kind of freedom that happens at this minute in iraq.
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dmille
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Re: Islamic Reggae
Telling me that I don't know any Muslims or that I don't know anything about Islam is IMO just another way to duck my point.
IF Muslims believe so much in freedom, why is it that no Muslim nation came to the aid of the Bosnians? Why did no Muslim nation topple the Tablian? Why did no Muslim nation topple Saddam?
You say that Saddam that had to be stopped. Stopped how? By whom?
Having resources doesn't nescessarily make a nation rich (the leaders maybe). But for all their oil wealth, their power and prestige and influence is a fraction of the USA's.
IF Muslims believe so much in freedom, why is it that no Muslim nation came to the aid of the Bosnians? Why did no Muslim nation topple the Tablian? Why did no Muslim nation topple Saddam?
You say that Saddam that had to be stopped. Stopped how? By whom?
Having resources doesn't nescessarily make a nation rich (the leaders maybe). But for all their oil wealth, their power and prestige and influence is a fraction of the USA's.
If Jah is standing by my side...