Islamic Reggae

[John Public]

I see that you are a person that like to discuss. Me too. If it stays objective.

I don't want to duck your point. The reason why I mentioned it, was just to tell you: you should not critisize people that you don't know. And that's what you do all the time. And it seems you don't have a lot of sympathy for the moslems at all. When I started that topic, I didn't want no fuss nor fight. I just wanted to listen to good islamic reggae music. But then you came and said No it can't work. Reggae has to be in english and that Islam is the antitheisis of everything that reggae stands for. And that's not my opinion. I think Reggae can be sung in any kind of language from any kind of culture.

You are asking why the moslems did not aid the bosnians. I can tell you why, because these nations don't like each other. If I think that is right? Of course not, but there are many things that I don't like. Not only from muslims. But when you say it, it seems like Islam is the Root of all evil. And still I say Saddam is one of those that had to be stopped.But NOT that kind of way. Right now more people are dying before the war. Can YOU say that this is right? More Death, More Unsecurity than before. I don't think that they tell you the truth in the media. I am very sad that Bush became re elected. A good friend who was for a few weeks in saudi arabis told me that the people in the arabian countries are really afraid of the americans. A cabaret artist said it in a sarcastic way: What? You wanna visit america? You don't have to. America is visiting you.

And if you are talking about Power, Wealth, Prestige and Influence it makes me sad. What about health? That's why I don't believe in politics, not going to vote. Cause if a war starts it's always them fanatic leaders heading for more power and power. And that s why the people can't and won't accept different cultures.

Just to quote Peter Tosh:" Power? I don't believe in the power of the people, that's why I am not saying all power to the people. Only the lord has the power and he won't give it to nobada"

[dmille]

I am having a little trouble following some of your post. My guess is that English is not your native language.

"...you should not critisize people that you don't know. And that's what you do all the time."

How can you possibly know what I "do all the time"? Have we met? Would we know each other if we passed on the sidewalk?

You don't want to fuss or fight? You like a discussion as long as it stays objective?

How do you define objectivity? Do you only consider those who agree with you to be objective?

My opinion is mine. Your opinion is yours. Who would have an opinion if they thought that their opinion was wrong? No one. They would have had a different opinion to begin with.

The other Muslims didn't aid the Bosnian muslims because these nations don't like each other? Where was the fidelity that comes from the love of ALLAH and from faith in the KORAN?

Was it those enlightened Europeans that stopped the slaughter? Did the Muslims that you call freedom-loving people? No, it the United States that put a stop to the mass graves and mass suffering of the Bosnian muslims.

Saddam was one of those who had to be stopped "but not that kind of way". Well, what kind of way then? Please enlighten me.

"Right now more people are dying [than] before the war. Can YOU say that this is right? More Death, More Unsecurity than before." How many died under 30 years of Saddam? When all the mass graves are uncovered and all the missing are accounted for THEN we can discuss the numbers.

And who is it that is doing all this killing? And who are they targeting? Now I could just be listening to alot of media "lies" BUT isn't it folks who call themselves Muslims doing the killing? Aren't they saying that they are doing it in the name of ALLAH?

One of those "insurgency" bombs killed 35 school children a few months back. My guess is that all of those children were Muslims. I suppose that you could find some way to blame the US for those deaths. I guess that's easier than blaming the "Muslims" who set off the bomb.

"You wanna visit america? You don't have to. America is visiting you." Well, welcome to the War on Terror. I know that alot of folks would rather the war be fought in New York or DC or Dallas or Chicago or LA. I would rather the US military take the offense.

I seem to recall hearing about a number of recent car-bombing in Saudi Arabia. Or were those just more media "lies"? And who set off those bombs? More freedom loving Muslims?

"But when you say it, it seems like Islam is the Root of all evil." You don't believe in politics and you're not going to vote? IMO a person believes in one of two systems - totalitarianism or representive democracy. By not voting, I guess that you are making your choice.

You either see the faith of true Islam in the hearts of those standing in line to vote in Iraq and Afghanistan OR you see it in the hearts of those how cry "Allah Akabar" before they cut someone's head off on camera. You either see the faith of true Islam in the hearts of those Lebanonese who want an end to Syrian domination of their government or you see it in the hearts of those who murdered their former Prime Minister. I guess the choice is yours.

[John Public]

first thing you are right English is not my native language.

When I say to you I like discussions that stay a objective that means we don't have to disresprect each other. That means I liked that discussion. Maybe you didn't.

The only thing that astonished me: When I spoke about Islamic Reggae. You reacted this way. How can you know what muslims feel. How they pray. How can you judge anybody that you personally don't know.

Of course your opinion is yours and mine is mine. And I am not here to change it. If you have that kind of feeling about muslims I am sorry for you. Cause you are taking yourself the possibility to learn about their cultures.

Yes I was and I am still the opinion that saddam had to be stopped. But I tell you I hate War and I will forever hate war and politics. Look what it brings. But I know that you think it's okay that way. I am not here to enlighten anyone. I see only Politician fighting a war. And who are the victims? The people.

And like I told you, there are things that I don' t like what muslims do,there are things that I don't like what christians or jews do. But You say it is only muslims that are responsible for the misery in the world. If you go to saudi arabia or any other arabian country. They say it's the americans. This one disrespect this one. But for how long?

My only question that I still have. And that is really the only question. What had you done when I didn't ask about Islamic but christian or jewish reggae? Would you have reacted the same way?

[dmille]

You say he had to be stopped but the way that that Bush adminstration did was wrong. I asked you what would have been your solution. I am still waiting for an answer.

I guess that it is easier to duck it by questioning my integrity and my motives. I wonder if we were living in the 1930s and 1940s if you would be saying the same thing about Hitler.

"Of course, he has to be stopped; but think of all those innocent Germans that will die. There has got to be a better way"

Yeah, what way?

"I hate war (because I am such a saint)."

Yeah, but how is he gonna be stopped?

"The politicians are the ones who want war and the people suffer"

Okay, but what is the solution?

"Why are you disrespecting me? I am trying to have a civil discussion. Why do you hate Muslims?"


It is so easy to talk about all your uptopian ideals and then point the finger at those of us who have to live in the real world. I'll tell you what when you get to Utopia, you let me know. That way I can move there too. Okay?

[benjamin]

I'm horrified by this discussion. dmille, don't count too much on Jah. I'm not sure he can go so low.

[dmille]

There is no escape from HIM. HE's so high, you can't get over HIM. HE's so low, you can't get under HIM. HE's so wide, you can't get around HIM. If you make you bed in heaven, HE's there. If you make your bed in hell, HE's there. HE's everywhere.

[benjamin]

And He's so wise he makes you say this with lyrics from Prince Allah.
Yes He is so low, but who do you think the stone will mash down ?
And yes, He is everywhere cause infinite, so how can you say Islam is uncompatible with the reggae spirituality, how can you mean it is devilish while the army's brutality would be a wish of the Most High ? Behind this discourse that has filled your mind, there is a pack of lies. What kind of freedom are you aiming at ?

[dmille]

I think I am starting to get an understanding of you gents. Jah will mash the stone down on anyone who disagrees with you. Or is it anyone that you disagree with?

I wish that I had attained your level of perfection, then I could be like you and not need Jah.

[benjamin]

What makes you say I consider myself perfect ?
I have nothing against you but when I hear someone refering to the Most High while legitimizing violence and war, something's happening inside.
You say Islam is the antithesis of what reggae stands for (have you read the Coran ?). Is that you think the US foreign policy would be in perfect harmony with it ?
I didn't mean the stone would mash down on you because you do not agree. But it seemed to me you were refering to this song and I questionned you about what you were saying. It was more something like : do you know what you are talking about ? Don't invoke the stone blindly, just look what it is going to mash down, which is Rome in the song, or Babylon, or any methaphor of human's estrangement from god. And precisely, war is the most ungodly act in my mind.
Your discourse is very chocking to me. I don't judge you, I'm hurted by what you say, you, reggae man, talking about Jah, and hoping he is by your side.

[dmille]

First off, it was you invoked the stone. AND I wasn't quoting from a song. I was quoting from a recorded sermon I once heard.

You insulted me by saying not to count on Jah because HE won't stoop so low. But you don't judge me...

I don't have TO HOPE that Jah is by my side. As it says in the sermon (and in the song), there is no escape from Jah.

"And precisely, war is the most ungodly act in my mind." When the US government went to war to defeat German nazism and Japanese militarism, was it an ungodly act? The American Civil War aka the War Between the States ended slavery in the US. Was that war an ungodly act?

The pacifist can only work to defeat government policy in a representitive democracy. IMO that makes them de facto pro-totalitarian. Now is that another hurtful comment?

There is a world war currently being waged by twin idealogies. On one side is representitive democracy and liberal regulated capitalism. On the other is Islamic fanaticism and Islamic facism.

I am always hearing that they don't represent true Islam...that is until the infidel answers their attacks. Then the war against Islamic fanaticism and Islamic facism becomes a new Crusade and a humiliation of the Islamic world.