Nightfall Showcase Johnny Osbourne - vocal from another recording in the background?

[CONGO BUNNY]

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Anyone else heard what sounds like bleed of another vocal track on the first few tracks of Johnny Osbourne’s Nightfall Showcase album, or am I hearing things?

It could equally be the decay of a slightly out of time delay effect on JO’s vocals?

Any thoughts?

[Rootsman]

Got the CD version and that sounds fine throughout.

[Musitronics]

There are two Dub versions at the begining of that LP, if the vocal tracks have "Leaked" whilst they were mixing on the desk that can often sound like it's from a different recording, more so if the vocals have been picked up through other mics in the studio, if those mics had effects applied Reverb etc that can make vocals sound really weired, especially if the vocals are drifting accross a studio from another room.

It could also happen if they were recycling their tape, it's possible the machine's erase head may have been dirty/faulty, leaving some other parts remaining in the mix.

I've listened to these tracks a few times and I have to say I've never noticed anything odd, but I'll give them another listen.

[Musitronics]

Well, the Dub versions are terrible quality compared to the vocals, I don't know why that is must be the mp3 releases, So far I've listened to Kiss sombody and night fall + dubs, the most I heard was a small amount of guitar leaking, that was all, don't know about the other tracks, but his vocals did sound a bit odd in places where they've used delays.

[Jumbo]

wicked album.. GREAT LINER NOTES!!!!
haha, long time i didnt see this album. i wasn't aware it was still available. It was released on CD in holland in the 90s, and from tapes brought along by Linval Thompson..
I was slightly involved, because i wrote the liner notes. havent read them back in a long time though, so it could be pure nonsense i wrote back then

[ephteeay]

I remember hearing some vocal leaks from other singers on some tunes too.. I haven't listened to this one in a few years but from what i remember Linval Thompson can be heard on 'Girl of My Complexion'

[donstrumental]

Nightfall is originally from the IN NAH DISCO STYLE album and nearly every track has leakage on the dub versions,what is more interesting is that some of the so called dubs are not dubs at all,just the track with vocals removed,BADLY!

I have my theorys

1 Maybe Scientist went for a dump while mixing this album.
2 It was a late night mixing session and Scientist fell asleep.
3 Scientist didn't get paid so decided not to turn any knobs today.
4 Apart from Nightfall and Kiss somebody,which have dub all over them, someone else was in on the mixing for the other tracks.

The latter sounds more realistic.I used to have a phone number for Linval Thompson,if i can find it i'll ask him.

Bless

[jahadambom]

I remember hearing some vocal leaks from other singers on some tunes too.. I haven't listened to this one in a few years but from what i remember Linval Thompson can be heard on 'Girl of My Complexion'

Does it sound like Linval singing "I'm jumping for joy..."? He sings "jumping for joy" on that same riddim on the Follow My Heart LP (Burning Sounds) 1980. If so, sounds like maybe the Johnny Osbourne tune may have been sung over the Linval Thompson vocal track, but with the Linval vocals removed (half wittingly). It is not unheard of for a producer to recycle the Master tape of a riddim track used on a previous vocal recording - They may not have possessed a reel of just the instrumental so they used what they had.

I too have have some linval Thompson productions (Strong like sampson 12"s) where the Dub versions have the vocals omitted, but not all the way. So it kind of sounds like a vocal was "leaked". But in all actuality, the vocal was not completely removed from the riddim track. I'm still not sure if this is a technique someone was experimenting with (I think I'm being nice by suggesting this)...or, If this was someone else mixing on the alternate dubb version.

For example...

Sammy Dread - "Morning love" tune:

I have two copies, one on Strong Like Sampson label, and one on the Lovella International label. The vocalside is exactly the same on each twelve inch, with a tullo dJ tune that follows. But the flip side dubbversions are uniquely different on each twelve inch. I can't remember right nowwhich is which, But I do remember noticing that one had just the dub, and the other had the "leaking vocal" in the background.

I've noticed this same exact thing on the Gregory Isaacs twelve inch tune "If you see my mary" on the African Museum label. The dubb version of the Blue colored vinyl copy (red lettering on label) I have has the "leaking vocals". The dubb version on the black vinyl copy (green lettering oon label) is strictly the dubb version - no "leaking vocal".

I often wonder why they would release two different dubb mixes (like the Sammy Dread 12"), and on twelve inches with the same catalog number and matrix (like the Gregory 12")
- obviously two different stampers.

It seems that at this point in time, all we can do is speculate. The world may never know. aDam

[Nohay]

It depends i think. It was another space in musical industry, particularly in Jam. "Masters", tapes was copied and sold... Many little labels in Reggae with modest budget and without mixing engineer from tubby's! Many tunes was sold without a dub. In mid 70's and after a dub is another track. not just the B side.

For the example of instrumental of the osbourne (or other artist)on 12" or especially on showcase LP too.. it was good. In economic way for label= more sound with one track and for listenners=have the version. Because it's that, "are not dubs"? It's THE version as they say in jam and (and in 80's, riddim was VERY dubbed for the vocals/ So the labels make another copy and cut vocal and you can hear it like a background noise or not ). So you prefer have another dub version... It's different! I love jamaican subtetly and vision of groove, rythm, remix.

That's why some 12" have vocal and version on A side.
And have full extended with another dub mixing on B side.

To answer the other question for the "leak" of voice track... Old tape recorder with multi track and table mixing etc cut at -40db max, or more or less. That's why a little part can be heard sometimes.

[HighRankingSammy]

I have my theorys

1 Maybe Scientist went for a dump while mixing this album.
2 It was a late night mixing session and Scientist fell asleep.
3 Scientist didn't get paid so decided not to turn any knobs today.
4 Apart from Nightfall and Kiss somebody,which have dub all over them, someone else was in on the mixing for the other tracks.

The latter sounds more realistic.I used to have a phone number for Linval Thompson,if i can find it i'll ask him.

Bless

scientist taking a dump during the mixing is definitely the best explanation present.
i dont know what version/mix of nightfall y'all have, but it doesnt sound as though scientist was taking a dump during it. its a great mix. or maybe he can dump and mix at the same time...