When was reggae invented?

[mike andy]

"I have no personal or financial interest in all this" - just coincidence that you share a surname with Ricardo "Ras cardo" Scott then? Ras Cardo also apperently claims to have invented 'Reggae Opera' - are you the same Janet "Grace" Scott that 'Ras Cardo' promotes as "The only true Reggae Opera Diva on the planet today"? Or is that also a coincidence?

[Zigggggy]

Well I believe there is a diffeence in the origin of the word reggae/y and the style of playing reggae music. That latter evolved more slowly. E.g.the reggae of 71 is different to that of 74. Some rock steady hits can be called reggae. Futhermore one person that is claiming inventing a music style cannot be taken seriously. People that say the helped evolving the muisic can. Use your ears and common sence.

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[abey]

Well I believe there is a diffeence in the origin of the word reggae/y and the style of playing reggae music. That latter evolved more slowly. E.g.the reggae of 71 is different to that of 74. Some rock steady hits can be called reggae. Futhermore one person that is claiming inventing a music style cannot be taken seriously. People that say the helped evolving the muisic can. Use your ears and common sence.

I cannot agree more!

[alonsoreggae]

I don't care who invented it, but I am interested in knowing who were the key players in the formation of the reggae sound. I always thought Perry, Higgs, and others were some of them. All of the original Skatalites too, and for sure the big producers like Coxone and Reid. I never heard of Ras Cardo before but that's cause im an neophyte so I will make sure to read about him and know his part of the history. Does he have a copyrighted document that says he invented the WORD reggae, or the music GENRE? I'm confused :S

[Grace]

Let me educate you Mike Andy- it would seem that you are one who likes diversions from the truths. Are you discussing me or are you trying to get to the truth of how reggae started? I have no personal interest in who or what Ras Cardo does or says. I have no personal interest in you either. I am just telling you what several brethrens and trench town people revealed to me. It seems that this offends you, and I must ask why?. Has Ras Cardo taken anything away from you? Does he owe you for something? I have done my works and have found the truths as to what he is saying. Maybe you should do the same and stop jibbering . Are you angry that Ras Cardo came from trench town and did what so many others from trench town said he did? Whom would you rather have told you the truth? It seems to me that you are one who would easily believe those who never came from the place. I know for a fact that Ras cardo came from Trench Town. This has nothing to do with me for I was not there with those brethrens and sistrens. I have seen and checked a ton of information, pictures, testimonials etc etc and all came true. What Ras Cardo is doing is not for himself,but for all those youths who died in the system and those who the system robbed. Frankly, I do not see anyone today talking about the good of the trench town people except Ras cardo, do you? How many trench town man have you met and spoken to who was living there in 1962? Stick to the subject as to who invented reggae and learn the truth which Ras cardo and only a few of his brethren today has. I am my own secure independent woman. Tell me something aboutTrench town reggae that I do not know? Get the facts and stop the speculations. It is done! Be a fool and challenge Ras Cardo and see if you will win. Do you think he could make such a bold statement for so long and no one, repeat, no one dared to challenge him. While his brethrens were on stage, he was taking notes. Do you get the point. He too came from Trench Town. His works is to help preserve the legacy of the Trench Town reggae history.Maybe someday you will see the light.

[mike andy]

Let me educate you Mike Andy- it would seem that you are one who likes diversions from the truths. Are you discussing me or are you trying to get to the truth of how reggae started? I have no personal interest in who or what Ras Cardo does or says. I have no personal interest in you either. I am just telling you what several brethrens and trench town people revealed to me. It seems that this offends you, and I must ask why?. Has Ras Cardo taken anything away from you? Does he owe you for something? I have done my works and have found the truths as to what he is saying. Maybe you should do the same and stop jibbering . Are you angry that Ras Cardo came from trench town and did what so many others from trench town said he did? Whom would you rather have told you the truth? It seems to me that you are one who would easily believe those who never came from the place. I know for a fact that Ras cardo came from Trench Town. This has nothing to do with me for I was not there with those brethrens and sistrens. I have seen and checked a ton of information, pictures, testimonials etc etc and all came true. What Ras Cardo is doing is not for himself,but for all those youths who died in the system and those who the system robbed. Frankly, I do not see anyone today talking about the good of the trench town people except Ras cardo, do you? How many trench town man have you met and spoken to who was living there in 1962? Stick to the subject as to who invented reggae and learn the truth which Ras cardo and only a few of his brethren today has. I am my own secure independent woman. Tell me something aboutTrench town reggae that I do not know? Get the facts and stop the speculations. It is done! Be a fool and challenge Ras Cardo and see if you will win. Do you think he could make such a bold statement for so long and no one, repeat, no one dared to challenge him. While his brethrens were on stage, he was taking notes. Do you get the point. He too came from Trench Town. His works is to help preserve the legacy of the Trench Town reggae history.Maybe someday you will see the light.

I think we've had enough of this nonsense.

[mike andy]

I don't care who invented it, but I am interested in knowing who were the key players in the formation of the reggae sound. I always thought Perry, Higgs, and others were some of them. All of the original Skatalites too, and for sure the big producers like Coxone and Reid. I never heard of Ras Cardo before but that's cause im an neophyte so I will make sure to read about him and know his part of the history. Does he have a copyrighted document that says he invented the WORD reggae, or the music GENRE? I'm confused :S

It's probably most useful to look at the first records to be considered reggae (rather than ska/rocksteady) and then look at who was involved in them. Lee Perry and Lynford 'Andy Capp' Anderson were certainly key players. One of first records considered to be truly reggae was 'People Funny Boy', which was apparently partly inspired by a Pocomania service that Perry and Anderson had witnessed - this echoes the early rocksteady records, with Roy Shirley's 'Hold Them' inspired by a Salvation Army band's slower rhythm, so there were always other influences coming into the music.

[jumbo di teacha]

reggae was 'invented' when coxson dodd returned to jamaica from the Soul Vendors tour in the UK in 1968.

He had purchased a echo/reverb unit called 'Arbiter Soundimension'(see: http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/ar ... ndimension) in London. when they experimented with the macine at Studio one they liked the sound effect on the rhtythm guitar: the one stroke that caracterized the rock steady sound ,became a double stroke (as can be heard on the first reggae record 'Throw Me Corn' by Larry marshall) thus creating the 'reggae' rhythm stroke.

oh yes.. off course Ras Cardo was the inventor of both reverb and echo, as he has proved more than once in the US supreme court..

[Inyaki]

......the double guitar chop (or even the single chop with the reverb /delay sound dimension effect), the bubbling / shuffling organ around it that makes the tempo sound "faster" (even if it isn't necessarily), the hi-hat feel doubling and "intensifying" the feel (instead of the straight Rock Steady hi-hat feel)....all that evolved around 68....out of Rock Steady and the word Reggae / Reggay became associated with that evolved style.
Loads of Jamaican musicians and producers contributed (Mittoo, LLoyd Charmers, Eric Rickabacka Frater, Familyman, Carlie, Fil Calender, Winston grennan, Boris Gardiner, Winston Wright, Roland alphonso, Vin Gordon, Richard Ace, leroy sibbles, Lyn Taitt, Coxsone, Perry, Clancy Eccles, Andy Cap, Sylvain Morris, Tommy McCook, Jackie Jackson, Brian Atkinson, Joe Isaacs, Gladdy Anderson, etc....etc... ( and we can add easily another 100 names to that!)
In my opinion, it was a common effort by the whole jamaican musical scene ( Trenchtown or whatever )
Sound system operators, and audience too. Every musical innovation and evolution requires the approval of the audience.

[Grace]

I will also share this fact with all of you. I notice that you are all talking about the music which later came from the studios. Ras cardo is taking you back to the street corners and backyard rehearsals scene when only Joe Higgs and Peter Tosh owned a guitar and Seeco and the rest of the group used to keep a beat on the bottoms of tin cans etc. The sound was made and created then. This is the history that you all dont know about that Ras cardo can tell you who did what when and why.
This is the sound that no studio has. This is reggae original sound. This is the sound that the studios which later recorded them tried to imitate to make it fit the early street corner/backyard rhythms. When Ras Cardo said that they would congregate behind his tenement house and rehearse songs this is absolutely true. He has songs and rhythms that have never gone to studios.Do you know what they used to call that area of rehearsals? Gentlemen, This is the point of the origination of the reggae sound which Ras Cardo is talking about. Before, during and after they first went to studios. Of course Bob later came into the place and teamed up with them. Every song that came from Joe Higgs and Wilson, Alton and Hortense Ellis, The Wailers early team with their female back up vocals(not talking about the I threes)were done behind Ras Cardo's house, and he was there in the middle of it as an active participant. Then he went to school and later Junior Braithwaite left the island. I have told you much to help you all see the truth. Ras cardo's only mission is to make sure that this vital history of a people who suffered and died in the ghetto, including his close friends, Peter Tosh, Junior Braithwaite, Delroy wilson, Joe Higgs and others, never falls into the hands of those who will continue to rape the people. Poor people. By the way, have any of you stepped foot into Trench town to see the present deplorable conditions? Here is a challenge- Why dont we do something to make the lives of those people much better? Ras cardo has been making the world aware of where he came from and draw attention to the help those people there needs. He could have easily forgotten them, but he wont. He too was a part of the sufferings. For the millions of reggae dollars now going into the island, why is it that trench town remains in abject poverty? How long must we stand aside and look, and talk, and talk? As his brethrens Wailing Souls sings-" Everyone just a talk, but no one nah do nothing at all"-TENSION! Ras Cardo will not let the history of a place and a time and a people, born out of the sufferings and death of his friends and families go into the hands of those who continue to rape and steal from them and give back nothing. he seeks nothing for himself, but to see the place where he calls home be lifted up, something which all artical and spiritual rastaman from trench town wants to see. The true history cannot be fabricated by anyone. It cannot be told by anyone who was not present. It cannot be replicated. The few today who were present during those times along with Ras Cardo knows the truths. Ras cardo has the detailed history and a WHO IS WHO OF TRENCH TOWN DURING HIS LIVING THERE. Most of Jamaica during those times did not give a damn about the sufferings of the trench town people. Remember when Bob sang-"can anything good come out of trench town?" This was all true as Ras cardo knows how this used to make them all feel.Yet they kept themselves from becoming die hard criminals and murderers. Bob again told you-" We refused to be what they wanted us to be".